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The end of the nice GTK button

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Re: The end of the nice GTK button

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post #49

Can I also mourn the loss of title bars as I carefully hunt for a spot to grab a window to move it?

For what it's worth, I recently discovered that I can move windows on GNOME by holding down the Windows/super key and dragging. It's a small thing but it's actually quite nice.

Re: The end of the nice GTK button

#62
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do this, but I do not want to do this. Also it looks funky. The padding is messed up and the text doesn't fit.

There's also an accessibility setting (under the "Display" section) for "Show toolbar button shapes".

>> There's also an accessibility setting (under the "Display" section) for "Show toolbar button shapes".

Fascinating. Sounds like if you can't read the mind of the desinger you must have a disability. What a great attitude :-p

Re: The end of the nice GTK button

#63
post #48

I don't understand why modern toolbar icons are basically abstract shapes represented by lines. It's 2022, we have 32 bit colors, but toolbar icons have less color than back 30 years ago in Windows 3.1.

Old win 3.1 toolbars had tiny 16×16px icons, that could be quite colorful without being overly distracting even on a lower-resolution screen. With the new emphasis on "touch" readiness combined with higher screen resolutions we get bigger icons but simpler, black-and-white shapes, which helps tell apart simple toolbar functions from icons that might represent all sorts of other things within an application.

Re: The end of the nice GTK button

#64
post #57
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UIs go through 3D and 2D in phases. Windows 2.0 - 3.1: 2D Windows 95 - 7: 3D Windows 8 - 10: 2D MacOS 6 - 7: 2D MacOS 8 - 10: 3D MacOS 11: 2D As a side point, I predict Sheriff and Sans-Sheriff fonts to also go into similar phases too though over a longer time scale. We're in a very long Sans-Sheriff phase now but I think Sheriff will be "in" in 20 years.

Sheriff? I think you mean serif, partner.

I'm assuming they are a victim of autocorrect, pilgrim.

Re: The end of the nice GTK button

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post #57
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UIs go through 3D and 2D in phases. Windows 2.0 - 3.1: 2D Windows 95 - 7: 3D Windows 8 - 10: 2D MacOS 6 - 7: 2D MacOS 8 - 10: 3D MacOS 11: 2D As a side point, I predict Sheriff and Sans-Sheriff fonts to also go into similar phases too though over a longer time scale. We're in a very long Sans-Sheriff phase now but I think Sheriff will be "in" in 20 years.

Sheriff? I think you mean serif, partner.

Deputy. Perfect name for a new Sans-Sheriff typeface.

Re: The end of the nice GTK button

#67
post #47

I agree 100% with the author, the old GTK button was gorgeous, it will be missed. > I have had to explain to people tons of times that the random word in the UI somewhere in an application is actually a button they can press to invoke an action. This is one of my biggest complaints with the super flat modern designs. Many widgets lost their skeuomorphic depth, which encoded a lot if visual information (the clickabili…

UIs go through 3D and 2D in phases. Windows 2.0 - 3.1: 2D Windows 95 - 7: 3D Windows 8 - 10: 2D MacOS 6 - 7: 2D MacOS 8 - 10: 3D MacOS 11: 2D As a side point, I predict Sheriff and Sans-Sheriff fonts to also go into similar phases too though over a longer time scale. We're in a very long Sans-Sheriff phase now but I think Sheriff will be "in" in 20 years.

Mac OS X has been in a Sans-Sheriff phase since Steve Jobs died

Re: The end of the nice GTK button

#68

So basically the new GTK is iOS but without the professional designers behind it. What I cannot understand is how Canonical, Red Hat, or some rich SV person hasn’t thrown money at the problem and hired a big wig design firm or person to overhaul it all. Johnny Ive is now even available (if he’d take the project). But even going thru a site like dribbble there are so many amazing designers out there. To me it would be…

Lots of rich companies threw money at the problem of Linux UI, Linux application packaging+sandboxing, and several other things. The result is the Android OS ecosystem, where each hardware vendor has its own proprietary shell, in capitalist competition with other vendors’ shells.

I’m not even saying that that’s a bad thing. As it happens, Android has been generalized and generalized from its original use-case until it is today a quite-workable desktop PC OS.

Re: The end of the nice GTK button

#69

--- Now one of the worst parts is that everywhere I only even hint at not completely loving the new libadwaita theme I instantly get shut down and disagreed with before I can even get the chance to give some feedback. Apparently not liking flat themes makes me a madman in this world. Why am I not allowed to even have opinions about the look of the operating system I'm using? --- But to be honest, isn't it one of the…

It's kind of cathartic watching this happen to a new generation of developers. They can't say I didn't warn them!

Ultimately I think this will be quite good for QT/kde in the long term. Gnome/GTK gets a lot of corporate support, especially from red hat, but seeing the issues pop OS had with GTK makes me hopeful that more companies will adopt QT.

Re: The end of the nice GTK button

#70
post #7

The flat UI trend baffles me. The removal of text from icons and buttons baffles me. For example, in Windows 11 I spent close to a minute looking for "Rename" in the right-click menu in Windows Explorer. Turns out it's not there! It's been removed out of the flow of the list and put in the top of the right-click menu, behind a small, picture-only icon that I've never seen before. MacOS is guilty of this too: Buttons…

This is why I have reverted to the CLI whenever possible. There's something deeply assuring knowing that I don't have to relearn my whole workflow every few months when the trends change. ls, grep, find, ps, htop will always be what they are. Even the Windows CLI is thankfully consistent. All I want is to get work done the way I want, and I've found the CLI is increasingly the path of least resistance.

sometimes even cli tools go away. eg: ifconfig
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