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Applebee’s exec urges using high gas prices to push lower wages, sparks walkout

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Re: Applebee’s exec urges using high gas prices to push lower wages, sparks walkout

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God a one hour drive without traffic is like a inhumanely long commute Interesting thought though

Apparently, a little under 1 in 10 US workers have a 1-hr-plus commute time ( https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publicatio... ).

That's with traffic though.

I live about 45 minutes from downtown LA without traffic. Which turns into 2.5 hours with traffic.

Re: Applebee’s exec urges using high gas prices to push lower wages, sparks walkout

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I wonder what the USA would look like if minimum wage was defined as; two people being able to afford a 1 bedroom apartment within a 1 hour drive without traffic. The static (both in the nominal and inflation adjusted sense) for minimum wage doesn't make sense imo. Minimum wage should be tied to some level of living (not necessarily a great living, but something ) This guy smh

The word “afford” is doing a lot of work there. Is paying 40% of gross income for rent “too much”? 35%? 30%? What if utilities were included vs not? 10th percentile rent? 25th percentile?

Re: Applebee’s exec urges using high gas prices to push lower wages, sparks walkout

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I wonder what the USA would look like if minimum wage was defined as; two people being able to afford a 1 bedroom apartment within a 1 hour drive without traffic. The static (both in the nominal and inflation adjusted sense) for minimum wage doesn't make sense imo. Minimum wage should be tied to some level of living (not necessarily a great living, but something ) This guy smh

That idea ("1 bed room within 1 hour") is simplistic when you consider places like CA that have NIMBY brigades and huge amounts of red-tape making housing needlessly limited driving up prices with bad leadership.

Hard to feel super supportive of massive changes to min-wage for places that literally make affordable housing impossible.

Growing population + massive regulation + NIMBY = you're gonna have a bad time.

Increasing minimum wage without fixing other issues is a ticket to non-solutions.

Re: Applebee’s exec urges using high gas prices to push lower wages, sparks walkout

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I wonder what the USA would look like if minimum wage was defined as; two people being able to afford a 1 bedroom apartment within a 1 hour drive without traffic. The static (both in the nominal and inflation adjusted sense) for minimum wage doesn't make sense imo. Minimum wage should be tied to some level of living (not necessarily a great living, but something ) This guy smh

> if minimum wage was defined as; two people being able to afford a 1 bedroom apartment within a 1 hour drive without traffic.

It would implode or we would adjust our standards in every other area to make it happen. We are simply not rich enough to afford that for everyone the way things are currently structured.

Re: Applebee’s exec urges using high gas prices to push lower wages, sparks walkout

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I wonder what the USA would look like if minimum wage was defined as; two people being able to afford a 1 bedroom apartment within a 1 hour drive without traffic. The static (both in the nominal and inflation adjusted sense) for minimum wage doesn't make sense imo. Minimum wage should be tied to some level of living (not necessarily a great living, but something ) This guy smh

You should also add 'with one job per adult family member under 65'.

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There'll be a bunch of cheap singular apartments spread all over the US - let's for convenience's sake assume they're about a one hour drive apart from each other but that's a totally random number of course. You can rent them for very cheap but just as you're about to move in they suddenly become unavailable for whatever reason? Probably the owner lost their keys or something and then lawyers can argue for years if…

>> I wonder what the USA would look like if minimum wage was defined as; two people being able to afford a 1 bedroom apartment within a 1 hour drive without traffic. > [imagined nonsense rules-layering] That won't happen for two reasons: 1. It requires a massive conspiracy. 2. Any law like the GP describes would most likely be written to block off the exploits that it took you five minutes to think of. Exploits that…

The BLS already publishes similar statistics. It’s not rocket science.

GSA does the same thing for travel expenses. You can determine lodging and per diem expenses for every county in the US.

Re: Applebee’s exec urges using high gas prices to push lower wages, sparks walkout

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> Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

He didn't say that hn is turning into reddit, he ist talking about this particular thread, and at the moment that he had posted the comment, I would have agreed with him.

I agree as well. This particular thread oozes the classic eat-the-rich trope that dominates Reddit and doesn’t match the culture here.

Re: Applebee’s exec urges using high gas prices to push lower wages, sparks walkout

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Ethics aside, this is bad analysis. Gas prices putting financial stress on Applebee's employees will also put financial stress on Applebee's customers, who may cut spending on things like going to Applebee's.

I agree they may need to cut their prices. How would this email have been received if it had said:

We are facing headwinds and may need to cut prices

To stay viable this means we need to cut costs

One way to do this is offer lower starting wages. Though this wasn't viable in the recent past, it may be possible now. That's because our pool of workers are feeling pinched and may need to pick up extra jobs

I understand he does not talk about the need to tighten the belt on prices in his email. But obviously all restaurants have been under pressure with COVID and inflation. It may be understood by the recipients that they need to cut costs wherever possible.

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