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Re: Complaints mount after GitHub launches new algorithmic feed

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Nobody asked GitHub to become a social media platform. Why not improve search instead? When I want to find something, I will look for it, and know what I’m looking for. There’s no point in pushing a bunch of random repos in my face with an algorithm that can and will be abused.

Their latest code search thing [1] is pretty powerful already imo.

[1] https://cs.github.com

Re: Complaints mount after GitHub launches new algorithmic feed

#92

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Nonsense. GitHub is for working with git repositories. It might have some weird social feed stuff tacked on, but I've never used it in 13 years and to say it's not the main point is an understatement. OTOH social interactions is very obviously the main point of LinkedIn?

You might not have used it as such, but GitHub always aimed to be a social platform and launched as such. Here is their landing page when they first launched: https://web.archive.org/web/20081111061111/http://github.com... Notice how the entire page is making you believe they are building a social coding platform? That's no accident, "Social code hosting" tagline in the logo included.

Their aims from 15 years ago notwithstanding, it is not a social platform, and does not get used for social networking topics.

Yes, we know git repos get used by clusters of people. That is not the accepted meaning of "social network."

Nobody is posting the news, their kids, or joining film groups on Github.

Re: Complaints mount after GitHub launches new algorithmic feed

#93
post #36

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I bet almost all users of the platform don't consider it a social platform and don't use it as such.

Not sure how that matters. If I build a platform explicitly for social coding, but people use it to host images, would you get mad if I continue to optimize for making it better for social coding rather than hosting images?

If you're not sure how it matters that none of the users use it as a social platform, then I'm not sure what you think a social platform is.

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> explicitly for social coding

Using source control is not "social coding." You're stretching that word far past its actual meaning, in the effort to make a point.

Re: Complaints mount after GitHub launches new algorithmic feed

#94

I feel like I'm in the minority here: when I saw this new feature, I thought it could be useful and a better replacement for what's currently there. I don't follow many people, so the "old" feed was pretty boring and stale. However, the "new" feed is showing me things that I find interesting, like a new release of openzfs, even though I'm not watching that repo. I understand why might be worse for other people, but I…

nah, most of us like it, we just don't want to get into the fracas with the people talking about always-bad and inherently-evil

Re: Complaints mount after GitHub launches new algorithmic feed

#95
post #36

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I bet almost all users of the platform don't consider it a social platform and don't use it as such.

Not sure how that matters. If I build a platform explicitly for social coding, but people use it to host images, would you get mad if I continue to optimize for making it better for social coding rather than hosting images?

If I go to a taco shop but order fries instead, and eventually they focus more on tacos and change the recipe for their fries, I would certainly be mad about it. If you are doing a good job for a domain, folks are going to inevitably be bothered when you do worse by that domain, for whatever reason.

Re: Complaints mount after GitHub launches new algorithmic feed

#96
post #6

I look forward to the quasi-spam slurry of infiniscroll feed crap once growth hackers start trying to game the algorithm to get more traction for their project. I don’t think you can introduce a recommendation algorithm without it having a negative effect on the content it’s supposed to aid discovery of. Pre-recsys, the content is made for human consumption, but once you add the recsys, the AI itself becomes part of…

I’m convinced the ai recommendation audience is the origin of the “death of the internet”

AI usually starts off as a way to serve humans, but mostly benefits the humans who create it, as opposed to the humans who use it. After a while, things seem to slide towards the dystopian, as the AI optimizes(or is optimized by the owners) to keep users present at all costs, to the benefit of the owners.

I relate AI feeds, management, recommendations, etc with Dwarves and the Mines of Moria. At what point will we have dug too greedily and too deep? Those goblins crawling around down there can be representative of the users who get stuck in the system, being fed trash, and being kept discontent.

Re: Complaints mount after GitHub launches new algorithmic feed

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> Github has always been a social tool without the need for a newsfeed-type thing. GitHub has always had various activity feeds. Here are two early screenshots from 2008: > Project and Developer News Feeds - Keep tabs on your favorite projects and the people that work on them. https://web.archive.org/web/20081113115832/http://github.com... > Public Developer Profiles - See what other developers are working on and how…

Are any of those algorithmically selected? If not, then my argument stands. Sure, the one sentence you picked, taken out of context, makes it look like I'm generally against feeds. When you put it in the broad context of my comment though, you can easily see that it's the AI bit that's the problem.

The other sentence in your comment was:

> I think the issue is not with it being social in general, but rather with it becoming a similar flavour of social to the likes of Facebook, Twitter, etc.

I'm sorry I didn't understand you were using "flavour" to indicate AI, I just thought you were referencing social features in general, it wasn't that clear to me, sorry for that.

Re: Complaints mount after GitHub launches new algorithmic feed

#98
post #58

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> So most algos let you personalize the feed. But without an algo…there’s just no hope. but there's an algo which is simple to implement and has very little biases: just show the things in temporal order ? Anything else is inferior to me. I don't want to see what's best for others, I don't want to see what some algorithm thinks is best for me, I just want to see what's last, with zero additional "reflection" on this.

> just show the things in temporal order ? Anything else is inferior to me. heh heh. In the last 5 minutes, since you typed in your comment, there’s been 100 news clips. Literally. So just show the top 5 after reverse sorting by time….newest to oldest. Temporal order. Now what would be the problem with that ? Almost always, your newsfeed will end up dominated by the latest weather clip where the guy says “and now the…

If you also allow the user to filter results with a search query then this shouldn't be a problem. If he wants to see Ukraine news he will search for that. If there are too many results, the query can always be refined by the user.

Re: Complaints mount after GitHub launches new algorithmic feed

#99
post #2

Why do developer companies keep thinking they are aocial twitter-facebook-like things? It goes from small things like hiding exact timestamps behind meaningless "2d ago" to this bullshit

Because "2d ago" provides a better user experience even for developers.

I prefer a time stamp since there’s less ambiguity.

I became less annoyed with GitHub when I learned that they put the timestamp in the mouse over hovertext.

Re: Complaints mount after GitHub launches new algorithmic feed

#100

No wonder why microsoft bought them, they wanted to kill github

Why would MS want to kill github? It's huge, it serves a vital need, and if MS does manage to strangle it in some way, someone else will fork a similar service and everyone will flock to that, similarly to how everyone left Sourceforge for Github, as I understand it.

Microsoft sells MSDN subscriptions for enterprise users. And that’s more than the GitHub revenue.

It’s weird in that I recently discovered a few hundred programmers who may $500-2n/year/person to Microsoft for visual Studio and more for a devops/teams foundation server/vsts and two full time admin contractors to administer the source server. There’s a lot of money in this space that Microsoft is probably losing as orgs migrate to GitHub.

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