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Re: Open source ‘protestware’ harms Open Source

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I'm in Texas. A LOT of Californians disagree with some of the laws that Texas has passed. How long will it be until my hard drive gets reformatted by some protestor in San Francisco who localizes my IP address?

Or that someone in Texas would come after Californians.

Re: Open source ‘protestware’ harms Open Source

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No, not taking sides is just not taking sides. There's no need to turn such a position into a shortcut to something else. It's as stupid as the kids saying "if you are not with us you are against us". Typical populist bullshit.

How hard is it to just say "I think Russia is wrong for invading Ukraine and killing people"? That's all you have to do. Just write it. If you can't do that, but still want to engage in the discussion on the topic, your standpoint is clear. You're not some holier person not taking a stand. You have taken one, you just don't dare to spell it out.

> If you can't do that, but still want to engage in the discussion on the topic, your standpoint is clear.

That's not the topic at hand. The topic is, you don't need to pollute every thing you work on out there with your preachy opinions on every single topic, especially when you are whole-fully ignorant about what's actually happening, the in-and-outs of the conflict, because you are in a state of constant propaganda, whether you are in Russia or in the West.

And this is not just about the conflict at hand, it's about this disgusting habit these days of bringing politics in all walks of life where it was not before.

Re: Open source ‘protestware’ harms Open Source

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Not taking a side is agreeing with the oppressor.

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Not silent when it is ukraine, but other non white part of the world - it is ok to be silent, right? BLM “peaceful “ protest also ok to be silent? Since when do we switched from Covid experts to ukraine experts? Can you even find ukraine on the map? The only non silent thing should be engraved in anyones head is - war is bad.

Re: Open source ‘protestware’ harms Open Source

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> Instead of malware, a better approach to free expression would be to use messages in commit logs to send anti-propaganda messages and to issue trackers to share accurate news inside Russia of what is really happening in Ukraine at the hands of the Russian military, to cite two obvious possibilities. There are so many outlets for open source communities to be creative without harming everyone who happens to load the update.

For anybody looking for an easy way to do this, https://infowarship.pages.dev/howto-en may be interesting.

Add a single script tag to your project website, and all visitors from Russian IPs see a popup providing real information about the war in Russian, and links to accurate Russian-language reporting & Telegram groups, from outside the Russian state propaganda bubble.

Not malicious or damaging, no problem for anybody in Russia visiting who doesn't support the war, but a quick & easy way to inform those who do, and to push back against Russia's internal propaganda & censorship.

Re: Open source ‘protestware’ harms Open Source

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I'm in Texas. A LOT of Californians disagree with some of the laws that Texas has passed. How long will it be until my hard drive gets reformatted by some protestor in San Francisco who localizes my IP address?

You pretty much summarise what is wrong with the title. It is not "Protestware" that harms open source. It is politics and ideology harms open source. And the rate things are going may be Open Source will not only be split between permissive and copyleft, but progressive and libreRight. Edit: Now I remember Douglas Crockford's "The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil." license. I wonder if there are still any o…

you can't really escape politics and ideology. What you can do, is to not be petty with your public contributions. As the parent example states, while somebody /could/ embed malware into their software that targets Texans, this falls under the pre-existing social doctrine of a "dick move". These things exist on a scale from "exclude government/corporate entities from your software license" to "try to fuck up random people's hard drives" and vary widely in terms of validity.

Re: Open source ‘protestware’ harms Open Source

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I have legitimately argued against using NodeJS as the foundation of our next product for this very reason. NodeJS' culture is very much "move fast and break things", and "all software is political". Look at the TSC drama. Leftpad.js. This isn't an ecosystem that you want to build and maintain a product on.

So you’re basically saying, don’t use X tool chain because the 3rd party software doesn’t move on your pace? Or they have different “views” than yours? I don’t see how that makes any sense. Why do you have to be beholden 3rd party developers and the pace they work at?

Well, do you think doing what you said is a bad policy? It looks pretty sane and effective to me.

> Why do you have to be beholden 3rd party developers and the pace they work at?

You don't "have to", you only are beholden to them if you use their software.

Re: Open source ‘protestware’ harms Open Source

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Bram Moolenaar famously uses Vim to raise awareness. A VPN package, dead drop website, steganography package, onion router, multi-point P2P routing mesh drivers, or other software and education on how to use them could really make a difference for dissidents. There are certainly productive ways to use software to support protests, organizing, workers' strikes, or even support targeted sabotage or insurrections withou…

He uses it to help starving children by including a message on startup. That's a little more agreeable and less political than all of the things you listed. To try and compare it is fucking absurd.

Huh? It isn't really clear what you are arguin against. The commentor you are responding to is agreeing with the article that using your project to spread a message is ok and possibly even helpful.

It is betraying that trust to make indescriminant attacks that harms. If peoole want to do more than just add a message, the author pointa out a number of types of software that people can cobtribute to that would have a more direct positive impact.

Re: Open source ‘protestware’ harms Open Source

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I'm in Texas. A LOT of Californians disagree with some of the laws that Texas has passed. How long will it be until my hard drive gets reformatted by some protestor in San Francisco who localizes my IP address?

Another fun scenario: your project has two dependencies, made by two different developers: `left-pad` and `right-pad`. `left-pad` will format your hard drive if it geolocates you being in a state that allows X. `right-pad` will format your hard drive if it geolocates you being in a state that criminalizes X.

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