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Rejection Therapy (2011)

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Re: Rejection Therapy (2011)

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Using strangers as unwitting tools in your own psychological therapy without their consent seems super sketchy to me.

Thank you for your comment. I came here to say roughly the same thing. Yes, in a way we are always using others as means to an end. But to make this interpretation true, I have to really push the boundaries of what I mean by using others, by mean, and by end. However, let us try to think this from a different perspective. How about what others in this _experiment_ felt? How would you feel if someone came out of nowhe…

A good compromise would be something like asking people what the time is, or if they know any good restaurants in the area or something that isn't really asking them for something weird.

Re: Rejection Therapy (2011)

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When I was a student in university many years ago I didn't know anyone in a new city so I decided to say hi to the whole floor in the dorm which was around 60 people.

There was some awkwardness, but I actually made some friends and had some interesting conversations with people I would probably never speak to otherwise. When I returned to my room it was maybe two hours later and I was exhausted and had started to become drunk thanks to the customary shots of rakia I was often offered.

I think it should be a tradition of some sort.

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Similar to what the famous psychologist Albert Ellis did: "As an adolescent, Albert was extremely shy around ladies. At age 19, he started showing signs of thinking like a cognitive-behavioral therapist by forcing himself to talk to about 100 women in the Bronx Botanical Gardens within a period of one month. This helped him get rid of his fear of rejection by women."[1] "He found 130 women sitting alone that month on…

>"Nobody took out a stiletto and cut my balls off" -- I've always loved that expression. I think the modern era equivalent would be having your picture taken and posted on social media with the intent of shaming you. I cannot say for sure whether it's more likely to happen, but posting a pic on twitter is significantly easier than mutilating someone with a dagger. It'd be interesting to see how this would work out to…

This seems insanely far fetched. Why would someone photograph you just for talking to them?

Re: Rejection Therapy (2011)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're just not thinking rationally enough.

What does "thinking rationally" mean in this context?

The article references some seminar on rationality, so "thinking rationally" means "thinking like the person at the seminar says people should think" presumably.

Re: Rejection Therapy (2011)

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Slightly OT: It seems to me that a large part of our social fabric is based on chance encounters. Talking to strangers in passing, as you go about your day to day business. With increasing digitalization, especially in the first world, we're quickly losing these opportunities. There is often no longer any need to talk to anyone when buying groceries, running errands, asking for directions, etc. All of these are potential entry points to friendship/acquaintances/romantic partners/knowledge sharing.

There are a few new opportunities, such as message boards, meet ups, social media, etc but it's become very clear to me they are mostly inferior substitutes, lacking in both quantity and quality.

Online dating took off, which is overall a good sign imo, despite its problems. However, other chance encounters mostly disappeared. This could in part explain the modern paradox of being increasingly connected but more isolated, especially in terms of diversity (people of different ages, socioeconomic groups, interests, thought patterns, political leanings etc).

Re: Rejection Therapy (2011)

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Similar to what the famous psychologist Albert Ellis did: "As an adolescent, Albert was extremely shy around ladies. At age 19, he started showing signs of thinking like a cognitive-behavioral therapist by forcing himself to talk to about 100 women in the Bronx Botanical Gardens within a period of one month. This helped him get rid of his fear of rejection by women."[1] "He found 130 women sitting alone that month on…

>"Nobody took out a stiletto and cut my balls off" -- I've always loved that expression. I think the modern era equivalent would be having your picture taken and posted on social media with the intent of shaming you. I cannot say for sure whether it's more likely to happen, but posting a pic on twitter is significantly easier than mutilating someone with a dagger. It'd be interesting to see how this would work out to…

> It'd be interesting to see how this would work out today.

I've approached 1000s of people about ten years ago. Back in 2012, it wasn't an issue. The worst rejections I've faced were:

* a woman shouting very loudly to go the f- away. I immediately backed away put my hands up and replied "ok". Her loud voice grew softer as our distance grew. This was at a train station.

* I was pushed down from a stairs. I should've been hurt badly but apparently I was running so fast that my legs were keeping up with the stairs and falling from it, transforming the whole ordeal from falling to running. Interestingly enough it wasn't the woman I approached, but the boyfriend. He arrived 5 min. after I talked to her girlfriend (I had no clue) and he immediately grabbed me and threw me off the stairs. Once down the stairs (unharmed), I asked him how I was supposed to know since I saw the woman sitting alone. He told me that that wasn't his problem that he was on the bathroom for 5 min. leaving his GF alone. I told him that next time he saw a situation like that he could've just tried talking first. He replied indifferent to it. I wished him a good night. This was in a club.

* I got headbutted by a guy, simply because I wanted to make a conversation with him. He told me (sarcastically) if I liked it. I told him that I didn't and that this was the end of our conversation. I walked away, he didn't pursue (as I predicted). This was at a festival.

* I got scammed out of 5 euro's because I was making conversation with 2 Russians (10 years ago). This was on the street.

Yea, that's it. After this I get an immediate drop to stuff like "I'm sorry, but I have a boyfriend", "I'm sorry I don't feel like talking at the moment", or similar friendly sounding rejections.

So what's the upside?

* I met one woman. 2 minutes in the conversation, the topic became about ballroom dancing, taught her some ballroom on the spot. I got a rush of adrenaline and butterflies and so did she (she looked and acted different after dancing). We cuddled and kissed a lot that day. I was a teenager back then, so this was kind of the dream, lol. The conversation started off in a mall.

* A guy came couchsurfing in my place, that night I went out with him and I was crowdsurfing thanks to him. He told me to get on his hands, I didn't get it but did it anyway and he threw me in the air. I was scared but couldn't do anything. It was awesome.

* I walk in a club, see a woman, ask her a question, we chat for a minute. We start making out (I have no clue how that happened, it must've been her, I don't really dare to make moves like that) and next thing you know she invites me to go to London. The club was in Amsterdam, and the next day I took a bus to London to continue our fun dynamic.

* Making an amazing friend. In this case, I was getting invited to their high school to study there for a day and be on their graduation throwing beer all over each other while standing on the back of a truck (a tradition there, lol).

I think I'd have at least 20 stories like this. Some of these stories involve long relationships, one of them still ongoing. So for me it was definitely worth it. Interestingly, as you can read, the most aggressive rejections were all male. Women don't get physical that quickly, not in my experience anyway. Some men get physical really quickly. This also means that from my experience, it's more dangerous to try and make friends with a man than it is to try and date a woman. At least, as far as random places go (like clubs, malls, etc.).

Re: Rejection Therapy (2011)

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Similar to what the famous psychologist Albert Ellis did: "As an adolescent, Albert was extremely shy around ladies. At age 19, he started showing signs of thinking like a cognitive-behavioral therapist by forcing himself to talk to about 100 women in the Bronx Botanical Gardens within a period of one month. This helped him get rid of his fear of rejection by women."[1] "He found 130 women sitting alone that month on…

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