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Re: Amazon Corretto 18 is now generally available

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Post by bitcharmer »

kaba0 wrote: post #19
politelemon wrote: post #6

Timely or topical, considering that O is now auditing Java. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/22/oracle_starts_to_incl... If you're not familiar with O, or wondering why an innocuous statement like the above strikes fear into people, it's not about just licensing Java. It's about their extortionate tactics and how they try to catch you in gray areas due to ambiguous wording in their terms and conditions, and demand…

That article is just fud. OpenJDK any version is free to use for whatever reason, period. If you use OracleJDK (which is pretty identical so unless you need support, go with OpenJDK), then you previously had to pay, but Oracle recently made the last version of it free to use. I mean, it really can’t get easier and freer. It is the same model as with Red Hat linux and fedora, hell, it is even more permissive as you ca…

> That article is just fud. OpenJDK any version is free to use for whatever reason, period

It literally says that in the very article you claim to be FUD. Have you even bothered to read it? Because it says everything that you did.

Re: Amazon Corretto 18 is now generally available

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Post by bitcharmer »

belter wrote: post #8

Main Page: https://aws.amazon.com/corretto/ FAQ: https://aws.amazon.com/corretto/faqs/ Downloads: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/corretto/latest/corretto-18-ug/d... Q: How is Corretto different from OpenJDK? A: Corretto is a distribution of Open JDK with patches included by Amazon that are not yet integrated in the corresponding OpenJDK update projects. We focus on patches that improve performance or stability in OpenJD…

I'm still struggling to learn what patches exactly Amazon put in their OpenJDK build. Does anyone know how to get access to these details?

Re: Amazon Corretto 18 is now generally available

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Post by dspillett »

notreallyserio wrote: post #28
zibzab wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Friendly reminder that if you install virtualbox with guest services at work, Oracle lawyers will eventually demand a huge sum from your company.

I did a tiny amount of searching to verify this but came up empty handed. Guest additions (what I think you meant) is GPLv2, so it should be free for use.

> Guest additions (what I think you meant) is GPLv2

It is presumably referring to “VirtualBox 6.1.32 Oracle VM VirtualBox Extension Pack”:

> Support for USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 devices, VirtualBox RDP, disk encryption, NVMe and PXE boot for Intel cards.

> The Extension Pack binaries are released under the VirtualBox Personal Use and Evaluation License (PUEL).

ref: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

Re: Amazon Corretto 18 is now generally available

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Post by unportant »

anotherhue wrote: post #24
unportant wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The link you provided talk about an issue with Docker's openjdk image which has nothing to do with adoptopenjdk (now Adoptium Temurin).

You are correct, the Azul guy (who reported it) goes into considerable detail here: https://github.com/docker-library/openjdk/issues/320# NEVERTHELESS, software supply chain is important. Whatever JVM one chooses should have a good answer to how they handle it.

> NEVERTHELESS, software supply chain is important. Whatever JVM one chooses should have a good answer to how they handle it.

We do agree on that. We also agree that Linux distributions & Docker official images have been doing shitty job in the past which is what your article is talking about. Thanks to Gil Tene continuous efforts to raise awareness about this issue, situation has somewhat improved.

My point is that AdoptOpenJDK has been specifically created to tackle those issues. Your initial comment seems very unfair to them and could misguide some people.

Everyone is free to pick the JDK build of their choice. Several projects do a good job at providing quality builds of OpenJDK. Most OpenJDK distributions are upstream first, so the determining factor is the trust you put in their build, test & QA processes. From that point of view and in a long term vision, supporting AdoptOpenJDK / Adoptium Temurin looks like a smart move because their tooling & processes are open source and which keeps the OpenJDK ecosystem in a safe state as it doesn't rely on a few private companies as sole providers for the community. History taught me that over reliance on Amazon or Azul might not be a good idea. Lets thanks them for their contributions, but lets no depend on them without viable alternatives.

Re: Amazon Corretto 18 is now generally available

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Post by papercrane »

bitcharmer wrote: post #32
belter wrote: post #8

Main Page: https://aws.amazon.com/corretto/ FAQ: https://aws.amazon.com/corretto/faqs/ Downloads: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/corretto/latest/corretto-18-ug/d... Q: How is Corretto different from OpenJDK? A: Corretto is a distribution of Open JDK with patches included by Amazon that are not yet integrated in the corresponding OpenJDK update projects. We focus on patches that improve performance or stability in OpenJD…

I'm still struggling to learn what patches exactly Amazon put in their OpenJDK build. Does anyone know how to get access to these details?

They maintain a page for each version listing patches. I don't believe it's up for 18 yet, but given the short list for 17 I expect it's currently just patching the vendor metadata.

https://docs.aws.amazon.com/corretto/latest/corretto-8-ug/pa...

https://docs.aws.amazon.com/corretto/latest/corretto-11-ug/p...

https://docs.aws.amazon.com/corretto/latest/corretto-17-ug/p...

Edit: While not technically a patch, I should note that they do have different compile options than the Oracle builds. The biggest difference I can think of is Amazon ships with the Shenandoah GC enabled, while Oracle's builds do not.

Re: Amazon Corretto 18 is now generally available

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Post by belter »

shellac wrote: post #25
belter wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not another JDK, its Amazon build of the OpenJDK, like Azul has been doing for a few years.

Yes, perhaps better thought of as a distribution or packaging. Somewhat analogous to linux distributions. I thought Azul was a bit more customised around the gc, so not quite the same JVM?

I think you are talking about their other offers? I was referring to ones at the bottom of this page under section: "Download Azul Zulu Builds of OpenJDK"

https://www.azul.com/downloads/?package=jdk

Re: Amazon Corretto 18 is now generally available

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Post by kitd »

bitcharmer wrote: post #31
kaba0 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That article is just fud. OpenJDK any version is free to use for whatever reason, period. If you use OracleJDK (which is pretty identical so unless you need support, go with OpenJDK), then you previously had to pay, but Oracle recently made the last version of it free to use. I mean, it really can’t get easier and freer. It is the same model as with Red Hat linux and fedora, hell, it is even more permissive as you ca…

> That article is just fud. OpenJDK any version is free to use for whatever reason, period It literally says that in the very article you claim to be FUD. Have you even bothered to read it? Because it says everything that you did.

You've just done the same. The article is referring to Oracle JDK. OP was referring to Open JDK.
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