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Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by okaramian »

thelettere wrote: post #35
throwawaycities wrote: post #25

There was a lot of information coming out of college athletics early on consistent with the research in this article. Young, healthy athletes that were asymptomatic showed signs of inflammation in the heart. Since then there were follow up studies which were split in their findings. The early studies used MRI testing and suggested “high-risk” of heart damage/myocarditis in the athletes. Follow up studies tended not t…

If there's been such heart damage to athletes that caught it, how come they all are invariably coming back to the same exact performance they had previously? Is there such a thing as damage to the heart that has no effect on performance, particularly the incredibly demanding kinds of performances that sports like professional basketball require?

I think this post lacks an understanding of heart conditions. You can have an enlarged heart or other heart issues and still be a professional athlete. Ask Reggie Lewis. It took Jason Tatum many months to get back to some kind of playing condition after he contracted Covid, etc.

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/celtics-star-jayson...

Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by dwaltrip »

margalabargala wrote: post #37
exo-pla-net wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

False. > We went into it thinking that [the risk] was going to be most pronounced and evident in people who smoked a lot or had diabetes, heart disease, kidney disease, or some [other] risk factors. What we found is that even in people who did not have any heart problems start with, were athletic, did not have a high BMI, were not obese, did not smoke, did not have kidney disease or diabetes—even in people who were p…

> They found that even mild COVID damaged otherwise healthy people's hearts so badly that their risk for heart problems are now comparable to those of obese people. > In other words, it does damage your heart. That damage might result in a heart attack, reflected in the increased hazard ratio. This seems an inaccurate reading of what's in the study. They did not find that all people who had COVID had heart damage, wh…

Thanks for clarifying.

What percentage of previously healthy people had heart damage from covid? Did they break this down by age and vaccination status?

Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by tremon »

thelettere wrote: post #35
throwawaycities wrote: post #25

There was a lot of information coming out of college athletics early on consistent with the research in this article. Young, healthy athletes that were asymptomatic showed signs of inflammation in the heart. Since then there were follow up studies which were split in their findings. The early studies used MRI testing and suggested “high-risk” of heart damage/myocarditis in the athletes. Follow up studies tended not t…

If there's been such heart damage to athletes that caught it, how come they all are invariably coming back to the same exact performance they had previously? Is there such a thing as damage to the heart that has no effect on performance, particularly the incredibly demanding kinds of performances that sports like professional basketball require?

Some cyclists even survive cancer, and then come back to a higher level of performance than they had previously. Does that mean there is such a thing as a cancer that has a positive effect on athletic performance?

To keep on the topic of cyclists:

Tim DeClerq - out for months after being diagnosed with pericarditis after Covid infection.

Sonny Colbrelli - suffered cardiac arrest yesterday after his race, two months after Covid infection.

Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by LouisSayers »

Fargoan wrote: post #72

My friend died 2 days ago. Heart attack at 31 years old. He had some unhealthy eating habits, but nothing out of the ordinary and he was at most slightly overweight. I wouldn't be surprised if him having covid a couple months ago was a major factor in his death.

Unfortunately these things happen sometimes.

Unless you investigate though it's all pure speculation.

Here's a pro athlete that also died (at age 33) - riding his bike up a hill.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/76467759/kiwi-mount...

Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by cf141q5325 »

wolverine876 wrote: post #97
the_doctah wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please knock it off with the "selfish" nonsense. Even if everyone got vaccinated, the virus would still get passed around. Then, when the next variant inevitably arises, and everyone's immunity wears off, we're back at square one. The anti-anti-vax crowd is just a walking meme at this point.

> Even if everyone got vaccinated, the virus would still get passed around. That's not necessarily true. The virus needs to spread faster than it dies (look up the R value). Vaccines have eliminated other diseases, such as small pox.

Thats not a realistic option for COVID and the vaccines we have for it. Its a leaky vaccine (meaning you still get sick and spread it just as much) and the reduced likelihood for infection is nowhere near enough to get R0 under 1. Especially with every mutation (delta, omicron ...) having higher R0

Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by ccn0p »

PierceJoy wrote: post #77
EricE wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citation needed! In fact, there is more and more data every day the EXACT opposite is true.

You demand citations from the parent, and then immediately make an opposing claim without providing any citations.

Lots of signals coming from the VAERS system [1]? And a few studies to take a look at below. I'd be curious what folks think about these studies.

In any case none of this compares to post-infection heart issue stats but it seems to me that there should be more research in this area.

"Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based COVID-19 Vaccination in the US From December 2020 to August 2021" [2]

"Epidemiology of Acute Myocarditis/Pericarditis in Hong Kong Adolescents Following Comirnaty Vaccination" [3]

[1] https://openvaers.com/ [2] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788346 [3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34849657/

Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by froh »

bhk wrote: post #62
exo-pla-net wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

False. > We went into it thinking that [the risk] was going to be most pronounced and evident in people who smoked a lot or had diabetes, heart disease, kidney disease, or some [other] risk factors. What we found is that even in people who did not have any heart problems start with, were athletic, did not have a high BMI, were not obese, did not smoke, did not have kidney disease or diabetes—even in people who were p…

First, the study does not even use the term "mild". They did look at three levels of severity: non-hospitalized, hospitalized, and admitted to ICU. The "non-hospitalized" group surely includes people who would describe their case as "worse than any flu", as well as those would describe theirs as "mild" (e.g. a few sniffles for a few days, like a number of my friends recently.) Second, the hazard ratios differ widely…

In the context of this and similar studies non-hospitalized means 'mild', even if it subjectively was 'real bad'

Hospitalized is severe

ICU is very severe / life threatening

Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by KerrAvon »

the_doctah wrote: post #29
exo-pla-net wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're referring to cases of myocarditis caused by vaccination itself, the cases are negligible: 2.3 per 100,000 [1]. Compare that with the apparent near-certainty of heart damage (and likely brain damage) if you contract COVID while being unvaccinated, and the decision to not get vaccinated is not just selfish but self-destructive. [1] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110737

Please knock it off with the "selfish" nonsense. Even if everyone got vaccinated, the virus would still get passed around. Then, when the next variant inevitably arises, and everyone's immunity wears off, we're back at square one. The anti-anti-vax crowd is just a walking meme at this point.

You are correct. We should use the terminology "insanely selfish." If everyone (not immunosuppressed etc) got vaccinated, fewer people would die. This is science, not religion. This is not hard to understand unless you're willfully committed to ignorance. The existing vaccines have so far still been effective against newer strains, just less so.

> The anti-anti-vax crowd is just a walking meme at this point.

This is a semantically null statement.

Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by KerrAvon »

usefulcat wrote: post #41
the_doctah wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please knock it off with the "selfish" nonsense. Even if everyone got vaccinated, the virus would still get passed around. Then, when the next variant inevitably arises, and everyone's immunity wears off, we're back at square one. The anti-anti-vax crowd is just a walking meme at this point.

You have a valid point, but hospital beds are still a finite resource. So in that sense, yeah, it is selfish to not get vaccinated in the absence of other mitigating factors, since vaccination prevents hospitalization in a large majority of cases.

Counterpoint: dude does not have a valid point.

Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by cf141q5325 »

wolverine876 wrote: post #98
andrew_ wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> near-certainty of heart damage (and likely brain damage) if you contract COVID while being unvaccinated This is the first I've seen it presented as a near-certainty. Where is this documented?

I think they are referring to the paper in the OP.

There is no indication that vaccination changes that. You still get it and and if i had to guess, lung antibodies will likely help as much for heart problems as they do for upper respiratory symptoms.
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