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Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by kragen »

A more accurate headline would be "it spares 93%–97% of people," though the interview meticulously omitted almost all quantifiable information. The hazard ratios in the paper smitty1110 cited https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01689-3?s=08 are mostly 1.49–1.85, which as I understand it means that people with covid were 1½–2 times as likely to experience the condition, pericarditis or stroke or whatever, than thr control group. The exceptions are things that normally happen only once in a lifetime, like cardiac arrest (HR=2.45), so we're still talking about a tiny fraction of people.

This justifies the statement in the paper's abstract, "Our results provide evidence that the risk and 1-year burden of cardiovascular disease in survivors of acute COVID-19 are substantial," but (unless I'm misunderstanding the paper) shows that the interview headline is an irresponsible, sensationalist lie.

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Post by exo-pla-net »

azth wrote: post #4

What about those that took the vaccine?

If you're referring to cases of myocarditis caused by vaccination itself, the cases are negligible: 2.3 per 100,000 [1]. Compare that with the apparent near-certainty of heart damage (and likely brain damage) if you contract COVID while being unvaccinated, and the decision to not get vaccinated is not just selfish but self-destructive.

[1] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110737

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Post by quadrifoliate »

Looking at the title, I am sad to see the discourse in research sink to this level over the last few years (well, I think so – perhaps it was already at this level before?).

Honestly, it's hard to blame the author(s) for using such a clickbait title when Governments across the world have done precisely the same thing by trivializing the effects of a largely unknown disease, banning public health measures, or declaring the lifting of public health restrictions as a "Freedom Day".

I don't have a great solution for this – perhaps just that we should all tend towards discourse that is a bit more dry and phrased in terms of data; and steer it back to that phrasing when required.

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Post by etaioinshrdlu »

I had chest pains for the first time in my life in 2021 and I’m in late 20’s. Doctor couldn’t find anything. Felt much better after a month. But it came back after getting a booster.

I had COVID confirmed in 2020 with no such issues. For me, as far as i can tell, the chest pains are more correlated with the vaccinations. I’m rather grumpy at the idea of getting additional boosters.

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Post by abhishekjha »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #14

I had chest pains for the first time in my life in 2021 and I’m in late 20’s. Doctor couldn’t find anything. Felt much better after a month. But it came back after getting a booster. I had COVID confirmed in 2020 with no such issues. For me, as far as i can tell, the chest pains are more correlated with the vaccinations. I’m rather grumpy at the idea of getting additional boosters.

Surprisingly I am having the same symptoms. Like I can feel chest pain during cycling and hours after I am done. This was not the case earlier.

I haven't got it checked yet. I am gonna do that soon.

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Post by brianwawok »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #14

I had chest pains for the first time in my life in 2021 and I’m in late 20’s. Doctor couldn’t find anything. Felt much better after a month. But it came back after getting a booster. I had COVID confirmed in 2020 with no such issues. For me, as far as i can tell, the chest pains are more correlated with the vaccinations. I’m rather grumpy at the idea of getting additional boosters.

It's possible they are related, or also possible just coincidence. When I was 31 or 32 I had a bout of crazy chest pains. Did all the tests, got all the EKGs... end result was Dr told me I was fine, lay off the stress. Has not come back, so I think it was just a reminder to take care of my flesh bag a big better.

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Post by yosito »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #14

I had chest pains for the first time in my life in 2021 and I’m in late 20’s. Doctor couldn’t find anything. Felt much better after a month. But it came back after getting a booster. I had COVID confirmed in 2020 with no such issues. For me, as far as i can tell, the chest pains are more correlated with the vaccinations. I’m rather grumpy at the idea of getting additional boosters.

I'm sorry you had that experience with vaccines. I know it won't make much difference to you personally, but the truth is that these sorts of chest pains and heart problems are far more common in immune-naive people who are infected with covid than in people who get vaccines.

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Post by vikingerik »

exo-pla-net wrote: post #12
azth wrote: post #4

What about those that took the vaccine?

If you're referring to cases of myocarditis caused by vaccination itself, the cases are negligible: 2.3 per 100,000 [1]. Compare that with the apparent near-certainty of heart damage (and likely brain damage) if you contract COVID while being unvaccinated, and the decision to not get vaccinated is not just selfish but self-destructive. [1] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110737

Heart damage from Covid is nothing like a "near-certainty". The vast majority don't experience it, upwards of 95% depending on the study. Framing this as "near-certainty" or "spares no one" is irresponsible fear-mongering.

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Post by j16sdiz »

exo-pla-net wrote: post #12
azth wrote: post #4

What about those that took the vaccine?

If you're referring to cases of myocarditis caused by vaccination itself, the cases are negligible: 2.3 per 100,000 [1]. Compare that with the apparent near-certainty of heart damage (and likely brain damage) if you contract COVID while being unvaccinated, and the decision to not get vaccinated is not just selfish but self-destructive. [1] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110737

It's 1 in 10,000 according to NHS's vaccine factsheet.

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Post by andrew_ »

exo-pla-net wrote: post #12
azth wrote: post #4

What about those that took the vaccine?

If you're referring to cases of myocarditis caused by vaccination itself, the cases are negligible: 2.3 per 100,000 [1]. Compare that with the apparent near-certainty of heart damage (and likely brain damage) if you contract COVID while being unvaccinated, and the decision to not get vaccinated is not just selfish but self-destructive. [1] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110737

> near-certainty of heart damage (and likely brain damage) if you contract COVID while being unvaccinated

This is the first I've seen it presented as a near-certainty. Where is this documented?

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