3,599,040,600 € wired by Germany to Russia since the invasion of Ukraine
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Re: 3,599,040,600 € wired by Germany to Russia since the invasion of Ukraine
#2Horrible horrible colour scheme, burned my eyes
Re: 3,599,040,600 € wired by Germany to Russia since the invasion of Ukraine
#3Ok, so what is the solution you propose? Quit russian gaz cold turkey, today? Let people in Berlin freeze to death tonight? (Temperatures are 0 degrees C at night)
Re: 3,599,040,600 € wired by Germany to Russia since the invasion of Ukraine
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Re: 3,599,040,600 € wired by Germany to Russia since the invasion of Ukraine
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Totally. I was about to post the same.
Just looking at it was "fine" (not terrible, not great), but once I went back to HN I felt a flash like a sudden relief on my eyes. The pain was physical...
Re: 3,599,040,600 € wired by Germany to Russia since the invasion of Ukraine
#6Ok, so what is the solution you propose? Quit russian gaz cold turkey, today? Let people in Berlin freeze to death tonight? (Temperatures are 0 degrees C at night)
Yes. (nobody will freeze to death btw)
And the reasoning is as follows:
The actually morally necessary step is to establish a no-fly zone above Ukraine, enforced by force with NATO fighter jets and anti-aircraft systems.
People (possibly rightfully) consider that this could lead to a WW3, possibly escalating into the usage of nuclear weapons.
So far so good.
So the bargain we do is basically "Ukraine, we would do everything for you, except for starting WW3, which you hopefully understand!".
Really? Everything? Then quit Russian gas cold turkey! No matter how bad it will be (possibly fairly bad, I admit), it will still be less than WW3, which we bargain is the only thing that we don't want, everything else we would do for Ukraine.
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Can anybody put this into better words??
Re: 3,599,040,600 € wired by Germany to Russia since the invasion of Ukraine
#7Ok, so what is the solution you propose? Quit russian gaz cold turkey, today? Let people in Berlin freeze to death tonight? (Temperatures are 0 degrees C at night)
There are gas reserves in Germany that would last for months (I've seen 6-9month figures). Maybe cut gas purchase rate to 50%. That would give >1 year of runway.
Re: 3,599,040,600 € wired by Germany to Russia since the invasion of Ukraine
#8Ok, so what is the solution you propose? Quit russian gaz cold turkey, today? Let people in Berlin freeze to death tonight? (Temperatures are 0 degrees C at night)
The German minister for economics is visiting Qatar and the Emirates to talk about gas deals. He probably hates it, because he is in the Green Party.
Re: 3,599,040,600 € wired by Germany to Russia since the invasion of Ukraine
#9Ok, so what is the solution you propose? Quit russian gaz cold turkey, today? Let people in Berlin freeze to death tonight? (Temperatures are 0 degrees C at night)
No post body was provided.
Re: 3,599,040,600 € wired by Germany to Russia since the invasion of Ukraine
#10Ok, so what is the solution you propose? Quit russian gaz cold turkey, today? Let people in Berlin freeze to death tonight? (Temperatures are 0 degrees C at night)
Yes. (nobody will freeze to death btw) And the reasoning is as follows: The actually morally necessary step is to establish a no-fly zone above Ukraine, enforced by force with NATO fighter jets and anti-aircraft systems. People (possibly rightfully) consider that this could lead to a WW3, possibly escalating into the usage of nuclear weapons. So far so good. So the bargain we do is basically "Ukraine, we would do eve…
Agreed. In other words, the EU and US are at war with Russia by all means except direct fire. In a war, citizens will have to make sacrifices. This may include painful economic sacrifices.