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A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

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Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

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Facebook allowing targeted calls for violence to one side of a conflict only had a lot to do with this decision.

I hope facebook's decision to allow calls for violence against the russian military makes it clear how ridiculous it is to try to define hate speech. Further, it should also be clear that what is censored on facebook will always change with the whims of facebook executives and will never be properly defined.

Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

#32
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was upset that FB has content only in one direction, anti-Russia. I said this is not true and I am expecting a lot of ani-Russia, anti-Putin content to exist on FB, but don't pretend that this is only one sided. Anyway , weird Putin coward and did not unplug the Internet yet, they were testing this in the past so I am wondering why still keep it, young Russian have access to the truth and this is a big danger for…

> He was upset that FB has content only in one direction, anti-Russia. What makes you think the OP is upset? It seems like a neutral argument to me. Did the OP edit their post?

I might have misinterpreted the comment, now is flagged, would be a good idea if OP learns to be more clear and what he means and maybe link to the event he is refering rather then assume everyone will understand his allusions. Someone linked something so I am reading that now.

Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

#33

Before we all pile on Russia, if you aren't aware of the rule change that FB made to allow violent statements against Russians (but not against any other group), you should learn about that. The Moscow Court: > A Moscow court on Monday banned Facebook and Instagram as "extremist" organizations, after authorities accused U.S. tech giant Meta of tolerating "Russophobia" during the conflict in Ukraine. And that is at le…

FB did not "play into their hands". Facebook made a sane decision that most corporations are incapable of making. You don't want to ban Ukrainians for talking about killing Russian soldiers, it should be encouraged.

Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

#34

Before we all pile on Russia, if you aren't aware of the rule change that FB made to allow violent statements against Russians (but not against any other group), you should learn about that. The Moscow Court: > A Moscow court on Monday banned Facebook and Instagram as "extremist" organizations, after authorities accused U.S. tech giant Meta of tolerating "Russophobia" during the conflict in Ukraine. And that is at le…

Calling for death to Russian invaders or dictator Putin is not russophobia, so that whole argument falls flat right there.

If the distinction is unclear to you, here's a quick tip: if somebody hates you for what you are, that's racism (or some other form of deplorable hatred).

If someone hates you for what you do, that's not racism.

Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

#37

Before we all pile on Russia, if you aren't aware of the rule change that FB made to allow violent statements against Russians (but not against any other group), you should learn about that. The Moscow Court: > A Moscow court on Monday banned Facebook and Instagram as "extremist" organizations, after authorities accused U.S. tech giant Meta of tolerating "Russophobia" during the conflict in Ukraine. And that is at le…

The reality is a lot narrower than you're implying, however: “We are issuing a spirit-of-the-policy allowance to allow T1 violent speech that would otherwise be removed under the hate speech policy when: (a) targeting Russian soldiers, except prisoners of war, or (b) targeting Russians where it’s clear that the context is the Russian invasion of Ukraine (eg content mentions the invasion, self-defense, etc),” ... Meta…

the quote makes it clear that FB is enabling threats against the Russian military (and Russians in the context of war), which would naturally cause the Russian govt to classify them as a hostile actor.

the Azov movement is the neo-Nazi organization, which is clear from reporting prior to 2022:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary-...

https://jpost.com/Diaspora/US-lifts-ban-on-funding-neo-Nazi-...

https://bbc.com/news/world-europe-28329329

theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/02/neo-nazi-groups-recruit-britons-to-fight-in-ukraine

Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

#38
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure you're responding to the right comment? The OP was referring to Facebook allowing calls for violence against Russians. (Is that fake news?) Is your argument that Facebook doing that played no part in Russia's decision?

OP's argument is legit: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/mar/11/facebook-...

Did you even read beyond the headline?

“As a result of the Russian invasion of Ukraine we have temporarily made allowances for forms of political expression that would normally violate our rules, like violent speech such as ‘death to the Russian invaders’. We still won’t allow credible calls for violence against Russian civilians,” Meta said in a statement.

Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

#40

Before we all pile on Russia, if you aren't aware of the rule change that FB made to allow violent statements against Russians (but not against any other group), you should learn about that. The Moscow Court: > A Moscow court on Monday banned Facebook and Instagram as "extremist" organizations, after authorities accused U.S. tech giant Meta of tolerating "Russophobia" during the conflict in Ukraine. And that is at le…

> allow violent statements against Russians

Nonsense. It's against Russian invaders, which makes complete sense. When they come in to bomb schools and maternity wards how else are you going to stop them without killing them?

The Russians are acting like victims even when they're Nazi invaders.

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