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Shabdle: Wordle in Hindi

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Re: Shabdle: Wordle in Hindi

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Speak Hindi all day, but cannot guess a single letter in a 100 tries! Shows how much this language's usage in writing and reading has declined.

Do most Hindi speakers now use the Latin script?

Yes, and it's awful because it isn't standardized. Current generations frequently use only consonants to type out a word and I have no idea how to pronounce them. For example "hai" (pronounced "hey") roughly translates to "is". I literally see kids typing a singular "h" instead.

Re: Shabdle: Wordle in Hindi

#22

Hindi alphabet, interestingly, is arranged in the order of the part of the mouth that makes the sound. For example, sounds generated at the back of the mouth (like "k", "g", etc.) are listed first, and then you move forward to sounds like "t", "d", and finally sounds involving the lips, like "p", "f", etc. I found this arrangement fascinating. Unlike the jumble of letters that is the Latin alphabet.

> back of the mouth (like "k", "g", etc.)

Note the "g" here is like that in "gum" and not "gin"

Re: Shabdle: Wordle in Hindi

#23

Speak Hindi all day, but cannot guess a single letter in a 100 tries! Shows how much this language's usage in writing and reading has declined.

I'm also a native Hindi speaker and I've never in my life used the word which is the correct answer. The game creator should have chosen more popular words.

Re: Shabdle: Wordle in Hindi

#24

Hindi alphabet, interestingly, is arranged in the order of the part of the mouth that makes the sound. For example, sounds generated at the back of the mouth (like "k", "g", etc.) are listed first, and then you move forward to sounds like "t", "d", and finally sounds involving the lips, like "p", "f", etc. I found this arrangement fascinating. Unlike the jumble of letters that is the Latin alphabet.

Wow, I have never realized this aspect about Hindi in all these years. Thank you

Re: Shabdle: Wordle in Hindi

#25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

devanagari is not meant for such puzzles

In what way is it not meant for puzzles, as opposed to English?

The Latin Alphabet treats vovels and consonants equally, whereas alphasyllabaries treat vovels differently. It's much easier to construct letter games if all the letters are more or less the same. Add to that the complexity that ligatures bring. Plus the number 9f letters should be small so that games like scrabble are more reasonable

Re: Shabdle: Wordle in Hindi

#26
As a non-speaker this would be pretty fun as just a pattern matching game. The only problem is not knowing the words. If non valid next matches grayed out as I went, I would know what constituted a word, without knowing the language.

Re: Shabdle: Wordle in Hindi

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Hindi alphabet, interestingly, is arranged in the order of the part of the mouth that makes the sound. For example, sounds generated at the back of the mouth (like "k", "g", etc.) are listed first, and then you move forward to sounds like "t", "d", and finally sounds involving the lips, like "p", "f", etc. I found this arrangement fascinating. Unlike the jumble of letters that is the Latin alphabet.

This is referred to as the varṇamālā: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari#Letters

Here's a good explanation from Richard Salomon (2003), "Writing Systems of the Indo-Aryan Languages". Note the startling suggestion that this arrangement might have been systematized even before the advent of writing!

> In this system, usually referred to as varṇamālā ‘garland of letters’, the characters are divided into vowels (svara) and consonants (vyañjana), and each major set is further divided into subgroups, again on phonetic principles. Thus the vowels are subdivided into simple vowels and diphthongs, each set up as short/long pairs (a-ā-i-ī-u-ū, etc.), while the consonants are classified into the groups vargīya (comprising stops, sparśa, including nasals, anunāsika), antaḥstha (semivowels), and ūṣman (spirants, including ha). Within each consonant subclass, the individual letters are arranged by place and manner of articulation. Thus the largest set, the twenty-five vargīyas, is divided into five sets (varga) of consonants with the same place of articulation, arranged from the back to the front of the mouth: kaṇṭhya ‘velar’, tālavya ‘palatal’, mūrdhanya ‘retroflex’ or ‘cerebral’, dantya ‘dental’ and oṣṭhya ‘labial’. Each varga contains five types of consonants: unvoiced unaspirated, unvoiced aspirated, voiced unaspirated, voiced aspirated and nasal. This system may have originally been developed in a tradition of linguistic analysis before the use of writing, and only subsequently been applied to the written form of language in Brāhmī script. The earliest written specimens of the are found in terracotta plaques of about the second century BC showing a schoolboy’s writing lessons (Salomon 1990:271).

Re: Shabdle: Wordle in Hindi

#29

Hindi alphabet, interestingly, is arranged in the order of the part of the mouth that makes the sound. For example, sounds generated at the back of the mouth (like "k", "g", etc.) are listed first, and then you move forward to sounds like "t", "d", and finally sounds involving the lips, like "p", "f", etc. I found this arrangement fascinating. Unlike the jumble of letters that is the Latin alphabet.

This is not specific to Hindi though, almost all Indian languages (except for maybe Urdu), use this arrangement known as the Varnamala. This collation order has to do with these languages using scripts descended from the Brahmi script.

Re: Shabdle: Wordle in Hindi

#30
I was thinking about making something like this but was stuck in a mental block that the number of combinations possible would be huge due to concept of _matra_, but pre-populating them was a really nice idea. Kudos to the author!
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