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Re: Vanced Discontinuation

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Post by cute_boi »

blamazon wrote: post #112
causality0 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a valid argument, but Vanced also had sponsorblock which auto-skipped all those tedious intros, "please install this adware mobile game and smash that subscribe button" and boring outros. I will be very eagerly monitoring the situation with hope a successor will arise.

On the YouTube iOS app, where I consume most of my YouTube content, you can tap on the right side of the video for 10 second skips - 6 taps, 60seconds of skip. Or something like that anyway, I just tap until I see/hear what I want. This is how I skip any content that bores me, which is a category that does include mobile game sponsorships but goes beyond what sponsorblock offers.

The problem with skipping is you have to be active with fingers. And, its perfunctory to keeping tapping forward and backward. Many creators put multiple ads, with bombastic approach like you should install this vpn to protect yourself, really? It isn't just ads, but sponsor blocked saves time by skipping unnecessary portion

Re: Vanced Discontinuation

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Post by p0larboy »

ZephyrBlu wrote: post #89
rryan wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That makes no sense. Why is "YouTube Premium" capitalized?

YouTube Premium is an actual product, but as far as I'm aware it doesn't generate much revenue for creators which I why I assumed they meant channel membership. https://www.youtube.com/premium

Bought Youtube Premium and have no regrets paying for a platform that taught me so much.

I once let the Premium lapsed and was bombarded by aggressive ads. Immediately turned Premium back on and it was almost, I kid you not, zen-like.

Re: Vanced Discontinuation

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Post by jthrowsitaway »

dmix wrote: post #110
ZephyrBlu wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube Premium is an actual product, but as far as I'm aware it doesn't generate much revenue for creators which I why I assumed they meant channel membership. https://www.youtube.com/premium

Offtopic but I bought YouTube Premium a few months ago and it's 100% worth the money. YouTube ads are aggressive and it turns out I used YouTube all the time. I didn't really notice until I started paying for it how much time I spent having to wait for ads to end or skipping them. Now I get angry every time I end up in YouTube via incognito when using social media and an ad plays.

uBlock origin will fix this (assuming you're using Chrome or Firefox.)

Re: Vanced Discontinuation

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Post by Vespasian »

moneywoes wrote: post #67

Dumb question, could they just not change the logo?

Google probably said something like: "For now we ask you to not use our Logo and trademarks anymore and if you comply by shutting the project down, we are happy to leave it at that.

If however you decide to continue we will come after you for the numerous other issues this project has such as the fact that it is an unauthorized modification of our official youtube app, primarily used to deprive us and our partners of income.

It's your choice"

Google lined up their troops and fired a warning shot. Vanced recognized their unwinnable position and surrendered.

Re: Vanced Discontinuation

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Post by Vespasian »

kangalioo wrote: post #114
3np wrote: post #100

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bytecode, not source code.

Modified bytecode, not just bytecode (or else any APK hoster would be illegal)

Any APK hoster which distributes bytecode (or any other software) without prior permission acts illegaly.

Redistribution of copyright protected material requires authorization of the right holder. Code (or programs compiled from code), usually fall under this rule.

(In the US) hoster privilege usually allows them to not be liable unless they know about a specific infraction. In some jurisdictions some platforms (such as youtube) are required to monitor uploads proactively for known copyright violations.

Re: Vanced Discontinuation

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

izacus wrote: post #116
Zak wrote: post #81

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Vanced is a modified version of the official Youtube app. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure it's a copyright violation to distribute modified versions of someone else's software without their permission. What's probably not illegal to distribute is the source code for the tools they used to generate those modified Youtube apps, so I'm a bit surprised by how adamantly they're refusing to do so in this post.

Hmm, aren't tools that circumvent DRM and copyright protections also illegal under DMCA? Because Vanced source would certanly wall under that.

No DRM is involved to extract an app manifest. DMCA circumvention rules don't apply. It is still an unauthorized derivative work.

Re: Vanced Discontinuation

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Post by ZephyrBlu »

izacus wrote: post #117
ZephyrBlu wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube Premium is an actual product, but as far as I'm aware it doesn't generate much revenue for creators which I why I assumed they meant channel membership. https://www.youtube.com/premium

No, that's wrong - for most channels (according to creators) it generates much more revenue pre view than ads supported views. It's just a relatively small part of overall pie because most viewers don't pay for it.

I was talking about overall revenue for the creator not revenue per user.

Re: Vanced Discontinuation

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Post by cosmie »

moneywoes wrote: post #72
akmarinov wrote: post #61

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There are some people going around selling a year worth of YT Premium for $20, it works pretty well. You can find them on Reddit.

Are they just not selling accounts purchased wtih stolen credit cards?

As another poster mentioned, YouTube Premium in India costs roughly $2 USD/month. And Premium Family (shareable with 5 accounts) is about $2.50 USD/month.

So subscribing via an Indian VPN can get you Premium for roughly $20 a year. Or get a Family plan for less than $30/year, and re-selling the extra slots on Reddit for about $20 a pop will net you ~$50 USD in profit.

Re: Vanced Discontinuation

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Post by Fnoord »

p0larboy wrote: post #122
ZephyrBlu wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube Premium is an actual product, but as far as I'm aware it doesn't generate much revenue for creators which I why I assumed they meant channel membership. https://www.youtube.com/premium

Bought Youtube Premium and have no regrets paying for a platform that taught me so much. I once let the Premium lapsed and was bombarded by aggressive ads. Immediately turned Premium back on and it was almost, I kid you not, zen-like.

I still get ads even with YouTube Premium. I just listened to a podcast on Spotify called The Agent and its full with ads. I pay Premium to avoid ads since they are wasting my time (and stuff gets through Pi-Hole).

Re: Vanced Discontinuation

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Post by ddaalluu2 »

jthrowsitaway wrote: post #123
dmix wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Offtopic but I bought YouTube Premium a few months ago and it's 100% worth the money. YouTube ads are aggressive and it turns out I used YouTube all the time. I didn't really notice until I started paying for it how much time I spent having to wait for ads to end or skipping them. Now I get angry every time I end up in YouTube via incognito when using social media and an ad plays.

uBlock origin will fix this (assuming you're using Chrome or Firefox.)

But not on the TV or mobile. Firefox ok, but it's also browser only. Youtube Music is quite useful as a radio player. Start with one song you like and it continues with similar songs. Key is it's just music and you have a list of albums of that band/singer/etc. Overall it's good enough but not really great.

Vanced was great for that. Also installed both apps on my mom's phone so she would not be irritated by ads. Being 87 she clicks on ads more often than I'd like. She even bought useless things from Facebook ads. She knows that I'll be angry so she lies about it. I have to protect her from the internet. She's a different generation. For instance I tell her about something being true and she won't believe me until she reads on the internet about it, because she grew up with "what you read is true". She's also exposed to lots of radical propaganda on Facebook. It's so bad that she quite often shares right wing videos and I have to step in and have discussions with her about what she's doing. But she isn't right wing at all. She hates all forms of nationalism or racism. Long story short. Adblocking isn't available for all platforms. But it's required for multiple reasons. Google knows and doesn't allow adblockers to be installed on mobile Chrome, because if they did their ad revenue would take a big hit.

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