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Vanced Discontinuation

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Re: Vanced Discontinuation

#111
post #75

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YouTube premium is 12 dollars a month. For me, this is worth it to remove ads and add background play and picture-in-picture.

That's way too much, they're not making 12 dollars per month from me seeing the same 3 ads over and over.

At the rate my time and aggravation is worth, I would be spending way more than 12 dollars a month watching the proverbial "same 3 ads" over and over.

Re: Vanced Discontinuation

#112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube premium is 12 dollars a month. For me, this is worth it to remove ads and add background play and picture-in-picture.

That's a valid argument, but Vanced also had sponsorblock which auto-skipped all those tedious intros, "please install this adware mobile game and smash that subscribe button" and boring outros. I will be very eagerly monitoring the situation with hope a successor will arise.

On the YouTube iOS app, where I consume most of my YouTube content, you can tap on the right side of the video for 10 second skips - 6 taps, 60seconds of skip. Or something like that anyway, I just tap until I see/hear what I want.

This is how I skip any content that bores me, which is a category that does include mobile game sponsorships but goes beyond what sponsorblock offers.

Re: Vanced Discontinuation

#113
post #93
post #57

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Snapchat's lawyers actually knew my IP lawyers from a prior issue (which wasn't actually related to Snapchat). (And it isn't even that strange, btw: there is actually a quirk of legal ethics that if, as a lawyer, you know someone else is represented by a lawyer, you aren't supposed to directly contact that person without going through their lawyer.)

What kind of retainer arrangement do you have with your IP lawyers where someone can reach out to them directly and incur billable time? I've got a couple different kinds of lawyers, and there isn't one of them you could call up and get me billed for. You might have a reasonable complaint for your lawyers about this!

They're lawyers, so this kind of setup is probably in their agreement already, and thus nothing the person could do. I'd chalk it up as a paid-for lesson and keep an eye out for it in subsequent agreements.

Some call me crazy, but I always read what I'm signing before I sign, even if it's something coming from my SO to "just quickly sign", or if it's random paperwork that a teller or person just gives me while saying "sign here and here and we're all done" as if it's the most normal of things and not some super-scary contract where I could be selling my kidneys to a company.

Re: Vanced Discontinuation

#114
post #100

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Yeah, they were illegally distributing Google's copyrighted source code this entire time. It's just easier to prove the trademark thing, so Google lead off with that.

bytecode, not source code.

Modified bytecode, not just bytecode (or else any APK hoster would be illegal)

Re: Vanced Discontinuation

#115
Not an attorney, but I suspect two mistakes the YouTube Vanced team did with the project is having "YouTube" in the name (Could be considered as a false association and trademark violation by Google or YouTube), and redistributing complete APKs that were modified YouTube APKs that would be under copyright.

I have not looked into the inner works of this, but on device patching of APK DEX classes from a set of patches is possible. Would not require root as long as it generates a patched APK and installs that using the standard PackageInstaller. That is probably a less risky proposition then distributing modified APKs themselves.

Re: Vanced Discontinuation

#116
post #81

> Vanced is discontinued for "legal reasons" as vanced was infringing the logo and branding of the original YouTube app as the logo resembles the original logo in a similar way and was used without taking prior permission from Google for using the branding. Huh?!? That was the only reason behind the C&D letter and they killed the product when a simple logo redesign could have solved the issue? Or the C&D letter would…

Vanced is a modified version of the official Youtube app. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure it's a copyright violation to distribute modified versions of someone else's software without their permission. What's probably not illegal to distribute is the source code for the tools they used to generate those modified Youtube apps, so I'm a bit surprised by how adamantly they're refusing to do so in this post.

Hmm, aren't tools that circumvent DRM and copyright protections also illegal under DMCA? Because Vanced source would certanly wall under that.

Re: Vanced Discontinuation

#117
post #88

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That makes no sense. Why is "YouTube Premium" capitalized?

YouTube Premium is an actual product, but as far as I'm aware it doesn't generate much revenue for creators which I why I assumed they meant channel membership. https://www.youtube.com/premium

No, that's wrong - for most channels (according to creators) it generates much more revenue pre view than ads supported views.

It's just a relatively small part of overall pie because most viewers don't pay for it.

Re: Vanced Discontinuation

#118
> The vanced team will "NEVER" make its source code public. Making the source code available on the internet can cause serious complications for us.

is it possible that Vanced actually contained Malware/Cryptominers and therefore they dont want to open source it?

Re: Vanced Discontinuation

#119
post #82
post #54

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I'm the developer of Cydia, an alternative to the App Store for jailbroken iOS devices, a software ecosystem which was filled with both modifications to existing clients and complete re-implementations of clients, and this is definitely the #1 mistake that new developers would make (much to my annoyance, as it just seems so OBVIOUS of a thing to not do, but people really are idiots): you need to be extremely careful…

As a consumer, I'd only think of them as being Vanced, and also mostly forget their name

It took me a while to see "Advanced, without the ad(s)"

Re: Vanced Discontinuation

#120
post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

bytecode, not source code.

Modified bytecode, not just bytecode (or else any APK hoster would be illegal)

As noted in OP, the takedown was related to reuse of trademark (logo, name), not redistribution of the modified binary.
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