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Is macOS Look Up Destined for CSAM?

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Re: Is macOS Look Up Destined for CSAM?

#91

What’s with the obsession with CP? I agree that it’s morally wrong and should be penalized but why is it perceived as the Ultimate Crime? Why is this tool supposedly for detecting CP only and not stolen bikes for sale, bullying through SMS, etc which are also criminal offenses?

Well it is a special category of human depravity. In prison the other prisoners don't go out of their way to beat and shank the bike thieves and cyber bullies, or even the run-of-the-mill murderers.

Re: Is macOS Look Up Destined for CSAM?

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You can ask the same question about self-driving cars.

Self-driving cars substitute for human-driven cars, which currently kill over a million people a year. If the first mass-adopted self-driving cars have half the fatality rate per mile of human-driven cars, then slowing their rollout by a day causes 1,800 deaths. Current prototype self-driving vehicles already have a lower fatality rate per mile than human-driven vehicles. Obviously this isn't an apples-to-apples comp…

>Obviously this isn't an apples-to-apples comparison since current self-driving cars are constrained to certain locations...

It is much more worse, current so called self driving cars have human drivers that intervene most of the time and saved the idiot AI from crashes but Elon will not count this near crash as an actual crash.

>but if the goal is to minimize deaths, then we should be more gung-ho about this technology than we currently are.

We should maybe try to maybe to also do the obvious quick fixes at the same time?

it would be much cheaper instead of forcing AI cars on people to force say a drunk/tired/talking on the phone detector , enforce better driving tests before giving licenses to drivers, put a tax for vehicle mass toe promote less heavy cars, enforce speed limits with tech. Do you think Bob will prefer to be forced to buy an expensive self driving car to reduce the car crashes stats or better to buy a safety device(black box) that he must install in the car.

Re: Is macOS Look Up Destined for CSAM?

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What’s with the obsession with CP? I agree that it’s morally wrong and should be penalized but why is it perceived as the Ultimate Crime? Why is this tool supposedly for detecting CP only and not stolen bikes for sale, bullying through SMS, etc which are also criminal offenses?

CP is fairly easy to recognize if you see it I'd imagine. I'm sure there are some instances where an adult just looks very young, but there is probably a lot of CP out there with no potential for that. How exactly does one recognize a bike as stolen from a photograph?

You recognize bikes, and compare it to a database of known stolen bikes.

Re: Is macOS Look Up Destined for CSAM?

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CP is fairly easy to recognize if you see it I'd imagine. I'm sure there are some instances where an adult just looks very young, but there is probably a lot of CP out there with no potential for that. How exactly does one recognize a bike as stolen from a photograph?

You recognize bikes, and compare it to a database of known stolen bikes.

CSAM only works by checking a hash. Photos of a stolen bike, especially ones that are sold online would probably have unique images taken by the thief.

Re: Is macOS Look Up Destined for CSAM?

#95

What’s with the obsession with CP? I agree that it’s morally wrong and should be penalized but why is it perceived as the Ultimate Crime? Why is this tool supposedly for detecting CP only and not stolen bikes for sale, bullying through SMS, etc which are also criminal offenses?

> I agree that it’s morally wrong and should be penalized but why is it perceived as the Ultimate Crime?

Because children are trafficked and abused to create it SMH...

Re: Is macOS Look Up Destined for CSAM?

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Self-driving cars substitute for human-driven cars, which currently kill over a million people a year. If the first mass-adopted self-driving cars have half the fatality rate per mile of human-driven cars, then slowing their rollout by a day causes 1,800 deaths. Current prototype self-driving vehicles already have a lower fatality rate per mile than human-driven vehicles. Obviously this isn't an apples-to-apples comp…

>Obviously this isn't an apples-to-apples comparison since current self-driving cars are constrained to certain locations... It is much more worse, current so called self driving cars have human drivers that intervene most of the time and saved the idiot AI from crashes but Elon will not count this near crash as an actual crash. >but if the goal is to minimize deaths, then we should be more gung-ho about this technol…

If the AI and the Human both try to correct each other's mistakes wouldn't that make a significantly better system?

Re: Is macOS Look Up Destined for CSAM?

#97

What’s with the obsession with CP? I agree that it’s morally wrong and should be penalized but why is it perceived as the Ultimate Crime? Why is this tool supposedly for detecting CP only and not stolen bikes for sale, bullying through SMS, etc which are also criminal offenses?

> why is it perceived as the Ultimate Crime? Because you can apparently justify any move, no matter how authoritarian, by saying "think of the kids"! It's politicians and governments exploitating psychology to get away with problematic crap. It's not the ultimate crime, it's the ultimate justification.

Just like how "security" is often used in the same manner, but I agree that CP is a much more persuasive and emotional argument.

Re: Is macOS Look Up Destined for CSAM?

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Or in this situation more like: It is better that ten children get sexually abused than one innocent person comes under suspicion /s

This isn't combatting abuse because producing CSAM != consuming CSAM. It's far better that 10 people beat off to children than have one innocent person come under suspicion.

I disagree. Suspicion is not the same as prosecuted, and every time someone "beats off" to an image of child sexual abuse, that child is re-victimised; every time.

You'd rather 10 children be victimised than 1 person falls under suspicion? Ok...

Re: Is macOS Look Up Destined for CSAM?

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What’s with the obsession with CP? I agree that it’s morally wrong and should be penalized but why is it perceived as the Ultimate Crime? Why is this tool supposedly for detecting CP only and not stolen bikes for sale, bullying through SMS, etc which are also criminal offenses?

> I agree that it’s morally wrong and should be penalized but why is it perceived as the Ultimate Crime? Because children are trafficked and abused to create it SMH...

Child abuse is a real problem and should have considerable resources dedicated to combating it, but focussing on banning images depicting child abuse does nothing to prevent a child from being abused. We're close to a situation where it's safer to abuse children than to try and find images depicting child abuse. I'm pretty sure that focussing on preventing abuse and supporting children to report abuse will do a lot more than sweeping the evidence it ever happened under the rug. Of course that would also require you to go after some pretty high ranking people, so it's not very good for one's career.

Re: Is macOS Look Up Destined for CSAM?

#100

I'm fine with child (prepubescent) rapists whom are adults to be sentenced to death. If you were an accomplice to that, as a videographer or similar, I'm also OK with death. (There's a really weird social area from 13-18, with the weirdness and illegality going away up at 18. Stuff in this realm, especially around 2 similar ages, gets very stupid. This is where you can get 2 16yo's sexting and being charged with CSAM…

> I'm fine with child (prepubescent) rapists whom are adults to be sentenced to death. If you were an accomplice to that, as a videographer or similar, I'm also OK with death.

The reliability of the criminal justice system, particularly in the US, is abhorrent. There's a long history of false convictions, particularly affecting people in minority outgroups and mentally disabled; we've executed adults who were so mentally incapacitated they were below a 10 year old in terms of mental capacity. The death penalty is highly immoral.

There are tens of thousands of black men still in jail because they were basically the most convenient way for a police department to "solve" the murder or rape of a white woman and help their case clearance rates. Police, prosecutors, and forensic "experts" were complicit. "Hair analysis" is just one example of the pseudo-science nonsense.

In Boston, a forensic chemist falsified thousands of test results and somehow this escaped notice despite her having a productivity level that was far and above virtually any other forensic chemist.

Or, if you're not exceedingly gullible: her supervisors obviously knew what she was doing and didn't care, because she made their lab look great and prosecutors got lots of open-and-shut cases.

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