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Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

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Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

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Post by sidibe »

MattGaiser wrote: post #78
darknavi wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Can't afford to compete" would also be accurate.

I wonder whether YouTube actually makes money yet or even if it does, would if it were standalone (as they can benefit from Google scale and Google infrastructure).

Most of what youtube needs is the non-time-critical filler of Google's workload so it's pretty flexible and cheap to host in whatever space is free in Google's data centers, which are already the most efficient ones. And with such a large amount of compute needed they can justify hiring a lot of people to optimize every little part of software and hardware involved with Youtube.

Google's infrastructure scale is such a big advantage for Youtube compared to competitors

Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

TameAntelope wrote: post #178
bryans wrote: post #134

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> "I was already paying $200 a year, which I think is pretty expensive," In other words, she has no idea what bandwidth or server costs are and doesn't realize Vimeo is definitely losing money on distributing her videos, but still arrogantly believes she is entitled to infinite bandwidth for free because "that's what YouTube does."

Curious; I’m pretty tech savvy, how much video could I self host (or in the cloud) for $200/yr?

This depends on multiple factors. Entities like YouTube which use a lot of bandwidth own boxes in datacenters (well in Google's case, they own the datacenter as well). From there it depends on the DC. Most IP transit is charged based on the max of your egress or ingress costs. Some DCs offer you unmetered bandwidth but then charge you more than you would have paid for transit.

The big cloud companies, like AWS, GCP, Linode, or Hetzner usually have these deals in place already and then charge you for egress to recoup/profit off their bandwidth costs. At $200 / yr, you're going to be playing big cloud egress costs as most IP transit is a lot more expensive. Cloudflare [1] has a series of posts about this though the costs are probably very out of date by now.

[1]: https://blog.cloudflare.com/the-relative-cost-of-bandwidth-a...

Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

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Post by shuckles »

slenk wrote: post #230
BbzzbB wrote: post #201

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Unlisted YouTube video or Patreon's native video sharing both sound more appealing than some direct download.

Unlisted Youtube Videos aren't great for content producers though, because if the URL ever gets posted publicly you are screwed.

For what it's worth, I think Vimeo doesn't have great authentication support. Most of the Patreons and Kickstarters which I know used it for distribution had a single word password to gate access to content.

Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

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Post by slenk »

shuckles wrote: post #233
slenk wrote: post #230

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Unlisted Youtube Videos aren't great for content producers though, because if the URL ever gets posted publicly you are screwed.

For what it's worth, I think Vimeo doesn't have great authentication support. Most of the Patreons and Kickstarters which I know used it for distribution had a single word password to gate access to content.

Ahh, I haven't used Vimeo much. I just know thats the issue a lot of creators have with youtube

Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

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Post by marcosdumay »

kingkawn wrote: post #115
bobitsaboy wrote: post #43

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It's not even a sensible or pro-rated increase. Just a shakedown.

Except the point seems to be getting her to leave, not giving her a thoughtful way to stay.

"We want you to leave" is a pretty ok thing for them to say. "You have a week to leave" is not. It's sleazy and unprofessional, and it's a signal that it's best for anyone to avoid them in the future.

Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

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Post by MattGaiser »

KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #101
MattGaiser wrote: post #78

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I wonder whether YouTube actually makes money yet or even if it does, would if it were standalone (as they can benefit from Google scale and Google infrastructure).

Early on yes, but today YT is at least a $100b company by itself.

Doesn’t mean it makes money.

Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

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Post by golem14 »

letitbeirie wrote: post #220
matt-attack wrote: post #206

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Try running an IHOP or the like. You’ll be keeping a dollar or two on that $15 entree.

Or a gas station. Their margins are outrageous but only if they can get you to come inside - they're only making a cent or two off each gallon of gas they sell.

And yet: there are gas stations hundred feet away from each other that have gas prices tens of cents apart.

Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

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Post by sgc »

rdtwo wrote: post #140
sgc wrote: post #58

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I think a lot of people here offer b2b services that are not shakedowns.

You misunderstood. The small b2b are the ones getting shook down. Small b2b content providers are getting hit with huge cost so they can buy time to migrate off

If you meant that Vimeo is shaking down small business clients, that might be true. But the way you phrased things it sounded like you were saying small business services in general are a shakedown, and Vimeo was just another example of this.

Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

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Post by bobitsaboy »

hannasanarion wrote: post #144
bobitsaboy wrote: post #107

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$3500 for hosting on top of what they already paid for hosting for the current length of their plan, with 7 days notice to vacate otherwise. And then how much next week? The week after that? How could anyone trust Vimeo as a provider for their business after this?

That 3500 is for a whole year. The per month cost is $300. That's 1.5% of the income that she gets from the videos.

The amount almost doesn't matter (it's definitely on the high side compared to alternatives). They can definitely afford it if they have a reasonable budget. However, how Vimeo has treated them as a paying customer is terrible.
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