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Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

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Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

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Post by kolanos »

I was curious what this would cost with Cloudflare Video [0]. They charge $1 per 1,000 minutes streamed and $5 per 1,000 minutes stored.

117 videos * 150 average views * 90 average minutes / 1000 = $1,579/month for streaming (!)

(117 videos * 90 average minutes / 1000) * 5 = $50/month for storage

It sounds like these are long form videos, so I just put an average of 90 minutes each.

Still, video streaming seems very expensive.

Lets say these 90 minute videos were stored in multiple formats:

480p - 500MB 720p - 1.5GB 1080p - 3GB

S3 charges $0.023/GB for general storage.

117 videos * 5 gb * 0.023 = $13.455/month for storage

AWS charges $0.05/GB for outbound transfer. Lets say the streams are worst case, 1080p. That's 52.65TB in monthly transfer.

117 videos * 3 gb * 150 average views * 0.05 = $2,632.50/month for transfer (!)

So AWS is about 1/4th the cost for storage, but almost double for transfer. Suffice to say I'm not sure I understand the economics around video streaming.

[0]: https://www.cloudflare.com/products/cloudflare-stream/

Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

#92

Post by KaoruAoiShiho »

bobitsaboy wrote: post #83
vbezhenar wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to compare to Cloudflare Stream which I consider a honest paid platform: Streaming is $1 per 1000 minutes delivered Storage is $5 per 1000 minutes store per month. 117 videos with 2 hours each and with 150 views each: 117 * 2 * 60 = 14040 minutes stored or $14/month for storage which is $168/year. 117 * 2 * 60 * 150 = 2106000 minutes delivered or $2106. So $3500/year does not seem outrageous.

You do realize that's ~60% of what they attempted to shake them down for, right? An existing customer? With no reasonable notice?

If you're not willing to pay for bandwidth you're not a legit customer.

Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

#93

Post by egypturnash »

hitovst wrote: post #65

Considering the practices of Youtube, Vimeo, and the like, I don't understand why bittorrent feeds aren't used more often.

Can you tap a link to a torrent and watch the video it contains on your phone? If the answer is “no” then I think this is the answer to your question.

Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

#94

Post by monocasa »

yashap wrote: post #8

> She’s uploaded 117 subscriber-only videos so far, and each one only gets around 150 views on average. Her most viewed video has around 815 views. … Her bandwidth usage was within the top 1 percent of Vimeo users, the company said Well that’s telling. Sounds like a company that’s on the rocks trying to squeeze money out of a small number of users to survive.

Wouldn't you expect that number of 1% for essentially any content uploading. Where out of every group of users, 80% don't interact at all, another 19% only comment, and the last 1% are the only ones that do anything more than comment?

Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

#95

Post by KaoruAoiShiho »

neilv wrote: post #29

This sounds like a potentially great business clarity move: > We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube” But this part -- bait&switch, with only one week to decide or move, (if that's accurate) -- is not what you want from your B2B solution provider: > “I was already paying $200 a year, which I think is pretty expensive,” [...] if she wanted to keep hosting her content on the site, she’d need to upgrade…

She makes around $25k a month from her videos, so paying $3.1k for hosting doesn't seem like an unusual cost. However, it's obvious that she derives no benefit from being able to control her own branding or whatever value-add that vimeo provides over youtube so putting it on an ad-supported platform like youtube probably just makes more sense for her.

Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

#96

Post by [deleted] »

vbezhenar wrote: post #64
tyingq wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that it excuses what's happening, or that it really puts her in the "top 1 percent"...but despite the low views, she could still be using a lot of bandwidth. Her videos appear to be tutorials that are pretty long, most of them 1 hour+: https://loish.net/tutorials/ It wouldn't take many views/month to use a lot of bandwidth, assuming her customers watch the whole thing. That's perhaps not worth $3500/year, but I c…

Just to compare to Cloudflare Stream which I consider a honest paid platform: Streaming is $1 per 1000 minutes delivered Storage is $5 per 1000 minutes store per month. 117 videos with 2 hours each and with 150 views each: 117 * 2 * 60 = 14040 minutes stored or $14/month for storage which is $168/year. 117 * 2 * 60 * 150 = 2106000 minutes delivered or $2106. So $3500/year does not seem outrageous.

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Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

#97

Post by skuhn »

lawl wrote: post #53
foepys wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With this amount of views you can just rent a cheap VPS with a few terabytes of included egress traffic, put up a very basic index.html, and stream those videos via the browser's HTML5 video player. This costs about $5 per month, maybe add $5 for more storage. I get that not everybody has the skills to do this and payments are handled by Vimeo but $3500 is outrageous.

It seems they're using akamai adaptive media delivery. Unfortunately akamai doesn't seem to have pricing on the page. So maybe akamai is just milking them and they're passing the cost on to their customers. Though I do have to wonder about a video hosting "technology platform" that's just selling a thin webinterface on top of akamai. I agree, you can do this on $10 per month yourself if you have the skills and $3500…

At the scale I presume Vimeo operates at, for US/EU CDN traffic they should be under 1 cent per gigabyte transferred.

Perhaps a bit more since it requires more work to obtain competitive pricing from Akamai, and Akamai AMD is a value added service and not just the bulk data CDN.

Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

#98

Post by ryanSrich »

fareesh wrote: post #40

We have used Vimeo for some corporate clients' customer facing websites. This is because Vimeo's embed offers: 1) No recommendations at the end 2) Customisable player controls 3) Control over where it can be embedded, etc 4) No ads The downside is that they don't have much transparency over TOS / content policy removals. We had a random violation in one instance where the uploader recorded a screencast of something.…

We've been using Wistia for 2 years for our business that serves Security Awareness Training content directly in Slack. It works perfectly fine. The pricing isn't that bad either. It seems like Vimeo is going after this type of market. Which is totally fine. I think the biggest issue with the current situation is just how little notice Vimeo gave the client in question. 90 days is a pretty standard price increase notice for B2B. They should have just done that.

Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

#100

Post by vishnumohandas »

deadalus wrote: post #2

Vimeo Alternatives : Centralized : Youtube, Dailymotion, Bitchute, Rumble, DTube, Vidlii, DLive, Triller Decentralized : Odysee(LBRY), Peertube

Cloudflare Stream[1] might be good fit for some use cases.

[1]: https://www.cloudflare.com/products/cloudflare-stream/

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