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Re: Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content

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Post by sharken »

jmrm wrote: post #38

What kind of problem solves this measure? If someone think that minors won't access adult content that person is pretty naive. Only with TV shows, series, movies, music, and games they are going to watch a lot of violence and sex scenes, and most of us knows there are a lot of easy ways to access to this kind of content outside mass media. Letting the usefulness of this measure aside, I think there should be other wa…

It adds a layer of control which is very much the way legislation is going right now.

Gone are the days where parents could educate their children on how to behave on the net it seems.

We should not accept slogans such as "For the children", doing that leads to ever more restrictions and control.

I don't have any solution to turn the tide, other than making sure to vote for a party that supports freedom on the net.

Re: Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content

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Post by MiroF »

RobertMiller wrote: post #50
MiroF wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're comparing a quote from an article clearly being written in the context of this Australian law to the actual quote from Google's implementation of DMCa law. There is nothing in your quote indicating they are "protesting" DMCA law. Here is the full quote. > Over the coming month, we will also be introducing a new age assurance step on YouTube and Google Play. This added step is informed by the Australian Online…

They aren't required to disclose any DMCA removals, but choose to anyway, citing the law by name. Pointing out that a law is requiring them to do something is the least anybody can do if they object to that law's requirements. The omission of such a statement is sufficient evidence to conclude they are willing collaborators. A tech corporation like Google does not deserve the benefit of the doubt anyway.

Are you still not following that this "omission" is something you've entirely made up in your own mind by selectively copying one quote from an entire article?

Re: Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content

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Post by RobertMiller »

MiroF wrote: post #53
RobertMiller wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They aren't required to disclose any DMCA removals, but choose to anyway, citing the law by name. Pointing out that a law is requiring them to do something is the least anybody can do if they object to that law's requirements. The omission of such a statement is sufficient evidence to conclude they are willing collaborators. A tech corporation like Google does not deserve the benefit of the doubt anyway.

Are you still not following that this "omission" is something you've entirely made up in your own mind by selectively copying one quote from an entire article?

The text you quoted does not seem to convey any displeasure at the law. Think what you like.

> This added step is informed by

Why so passive? Why not "required by"?

> We’ve built our age-verification process in keeping with Google’s Privacy and Security Principles.

Why not omit this apologia?

Also, that statement about the DMCA is on every single search page with DMCA omissions. Do you think Google is going to cite the ID law by name on every page requiring it? I guess we'll find out, but I'm not holding my breath for this.

Re: Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content

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Post by kzrdude »

bleuchase wrote: post #33
kzrdude wrote: post #30

Since EU already has this, it's been very few videos on yt where this has been asked. I just avoid them.

> Since EU already has this, it's been very few videos on yt where this has been asked. I just avoid them. Do you think that may be part of the purpose of such a system?

Nope, it's an unintended consequence, I think the political motivation is naivistic. It turns into a kind of censorship, but was conceptualized as a speed bump.

Re: Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content

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Post by inter_netuser »

rabuse wrote: post #37

Almost every invasive thing in our lives is because of "think of the children".

somehow i don't think the invasive measures will go away with artificial placentas and factories that pop out healthy and ready 25-35 year old professionals/drones.

what will we think of then?

Re: Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content

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Post by simion314 »

overboard2 wrote: post #27
simion314 wrote: post #19

We really need to have the OS and browser cooperate on this, otherwise we will need to show our ID to each website we visit. But browser makers are busy with chasing benchmarks or other less relevant stuff that are fun for devs to work on or that might make more money.

No, we don't need browsers cooperating with this.

Why? it would not be forced on you but think about this super easy scenario.

1 I buy a device for my child and I set it up and enter his birthday, say he is under 13

2 I buy me a device , setup my account and enter my credit card to use the Store , the OS now is 100% sure I am an adult

3 The browser on our devices knows our ages now

4 13+ , 18+ webpages will mark this in the header , the browser on the child phone knows to not just allow the child to click "I am 18+ old" , the browser on my device would check my settings and say if I am a religious guy I tell the browser not to show the pages to me.

5 if you can't or won't tell your OS or browser your age either send your ID card to all websites or don't go there, big websites will respect local laws so maybe you can have luck with a VPN or some small website that does not care about local laws in a different country.

I suggest this idea as an alternatives to having to send ID card copy to each websites, I am not advocating for UK or Australian laws to be made default everywhere.

Re: Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content

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Post by MiroF »

RobertMiller wrote: post #55
MiroF wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you still not following that this "omission" is something you've entirely made up in your own mind by selectively copying one quote from an entire article?

The text you quoted does not seem to convey any displeasure at the law. Think what you like. > This added step is informed by Why so passive? Why not "required by" ? > We’ve built our age-verification process in keeping with Google’s Privacy and Security Principles. Why not omit this apologia? Also, that statement about the DMCA is on every single search page with DMCA omissions. Do you think Google is going to cite…

Wait, but they do point out the law requires them. And as you said,

> Pointing out that a law is requiring them to do something is the least anybody can do if they object to that law's requirements

Generally, I prefer comments blatantly contradicting each other to at least be a little more spaced out than yours are.

Have a good day.

Re: Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content

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Post by bushbaba »

LewisVerstappen wrote: post #8
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #2

Although the title is correct, it's worth noting that Google is not doing this because it thinks it's fun to require verification. The Australian government is requiring google to take this action.

>"If our systems are unable to establish that a viewer is above the age of 18, we will request that they provide a valid ID or credit card to verify their age.” I don't think Google is complaining too much. Especially if it gives them an excuse to collect credit card data (reducing a significant amount of friction when they sell YouTube premium / google drive subscriptions).

Also lets them easily join in credit card purchases to user info.
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