To be honest, it's just a little sad that reading this article it seems that Hotz hasn't grown up much, and that attitude isn't great to see from a person working on a safety critical application. If you want to put your hands in the life of George Hotz fine, but keep the hell away from the public roads.
George Hotz against the institutions
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#112George Hotz has been on Lex Fridman’s podcast a few times https://lexfridman.com/george-hotz/ Hotz has an interesting take on life and tech. If you have time, listen to one of Lex’s conversations with Hotz while you are getting exercise, gardening, etc. I like Hotz’s idea of generic equipment that works on multiple types of cars. Off topic a little, but the Honda Pilot we bought a year ago has some driver assist tech…
I’m more excited for self driving cars when I’m not physically in the car. Why park at the train station when I can ge dropped off. Kids on a play date? Sure I can drop off and pick up it’s a couple taps on my phone. Having small kids and a public transit commute is certainly a demographic for this.
The experience you are talking about sounds like Lyft and Uber.
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#113The comma business model is built upon a car interface created by manufacturers for their own purposes. Those manufacturers are working on their own autonomous driving programs in various stages. None of those manufacturers want crash statistics for their vehicles being driven autonomously. Comma is clearly the unwanted guest in the room... the only positive outcome for them is acquihire when one of the manufacturers…
Their business model, which has resulted in a profitable business with actual customers who love their product, is built of kerosene and straw?? As opposed to every other self-driving company, of which none are profitable or have customers and all rely on crazy amounts of VC funding.
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#114Has anyone in this thread who is commenting to hate on Hotz/Comma tried the product or even watched a video of it? I have their device in my car, and I love it. Lots of people in here saying this is doomed to fail and that e2e won’t work seem to not realize that Comma has pretty much already succeeded. Their e2e lateral policy is fantastic, and e2e longitudinal is shipping this year probably. They livestream demos on YouTube and it looks like e2e longitudinal is coming along nicely, here’s a stream from 3 months ago: https://youtu.be/wHoLW9WXOy8
Re: George Hotz against the institutions
#115To be honest, it's just a little sad that reading this article it seems that Hotz hasn't grown up much, and that attitude isn't great to see from a person working on a safety critical application. If you want to put your hands in the life of George Hotz fine, but keep the hell away from the public roads.
Comma has really good safety code. ISO26262 compliant, and they use MISRA C guidelines. Hotz talks about safety in the comma.ai discord server all the time, and frequently berates people for requesting unsafe features or making unsafe forks of openpilot. Afaik, comma auto-bans devices from using their servers if they detect that you’re running a fork that’s removed safety restrictions. It’s safe.
Re: George Hotz against the institutions
#116Has anyone in this thread who is commenting to hate on Hotz/Comma tried the product or even watched a video of it? I have their device in my car, and I love it. Lots of people in here saying this is doomed to fail and that e2e won’t work seem to not realize that Comma has pretty much already succeeded. Their e2e lateral policy is fantastic, and e2e longitudinal is shipping this year probably. They livestream demos on…
I guess he has 0 fucks to give, judged from this interview. Respect!
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#117"During our conversation, I was continually struck by the degree to which Hotz and his company are anti-mimetic. Like many founders of tech startups—thanks to the influence of Peter Thiel – Hotz has a passing familiarity with René Girard’s theory of mimetic desire. The theory, now supported by a trove of empirical evidence, posits that our desires do not originate in us but are always learned from models." Perhaps no…
Buffett said something Girardian, too: “It’s not greed that moves the world, but envy.”
I always liked it where he said:
“I can’t change the direction of the wind, but I can adjust my sails to always reach my destination.”
and of course:
“If we couldn’t laugh we would all go insane.”
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
That may be true, but during the coding videos on YouTube he's extremely smart. My favorite saying of him is that they don't have a cone guy because a self driving system shouldn't contain the knowledge of a cone explicitly. Guess what happened in the last Tesla update: the car went into a cone because it wasn't the usual color.
Let's just say I've talked with people who have worked with him on comma.ai and... I heard his cars would be driving into everything if it were just his code running them without all the safety features the folks around him added. geohot isn't dumb, but he's also extremely good at making himself look like a lone genius, all the while he heavily relies on those around him. This has been a pattern his entire career. He…
Thank you for this. Reminder that comma.ai famously cancelled their first product[1] after getting a very reasonable[2] letter with questions from a governmental safety agency. It generated quite a discussion at the time[3] but seems to have largely been forgotten since then. Given their history of playing fast and lose I’d rather not have any cars driven by their code anywhere near me on the road.
[1] https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/28/comma-ai-cancels-the-comma...
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#119If I were president, I would give Hotz a mid-tier medal, as its people like him that empower America, lead to our world dominance, and create the billion dollar industries we profit from. I'm waiting till their product gets a bit better but I'll be a buyer once that occurs. It's damn close for the comma three
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#120Reading hint: if you prefer to listen instead of reading when the article is big, at least on iphone I use safari -> reader mode -> scroll 2 fingers from top to bottom and it starts the dictation (I think I had to enable in accessibility). There may be something for android.