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My biggest mistake as an RPA developer

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Re: My biggest mistake as an RPA developer

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RPA is "robotic process automation". The author worked with the uipath.com platform, which looks to be an automation tool to click on screens to automate processes (probably oversimplifying here).

You're not really oversimplifying. RPA is duct tape for situations where it's drastically cheaper to automate personnel doing repetitive tasks out of work and have a fraction of the original team supervise a fleet of(rather persnickety) 'bots' that insert keystrokes and clicks in a legacy application, as opposed to building proper systems integrations or rebuilding the underlying legacy app entirely.

I understand the niche, but I don't particularly care for it. It's an enabler for shortsighted, 'keep the lights on but cut costs and corners' operating strategies that usually go hand-in-hand with technical debt accumulation and brain drain.

Re: My biggest mistake as an RPA developer

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RPA is "robotic process automation". The author worked with the uipath.com platform, which looks to be an automation tool to click on screens to automate processes (probably oversimplifying here).

You're not really oversimplifying. RPA is duct tape for situations where it's drastically cheaper to automate personnel doing repetitive tasks out of work and have a fraction of the original team supervise a fleet of(rather persnickety) 'bots' that insert keystrokes and clicks in a legacy application, as opposed to building proper systems integrations or rebuilding the underlying legacy app entirely. I understand the…

"Legacy" in that the apps work well enough for the business need and redevelopment costs are justifiable, typically.

Re: My biggest mistake as an RPA developer

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RPA is "robotic process automation". The author worked with the uipath.com platform, which looks to be an automation tool to click on screens to automate processes (probably oversimplifying here).

Definitely the gist of it. You can also make .NET framework custom actions to put into your workflow. I dabbled in it for several projects and although its fairly powerful. Working in a GUI workflow designer is cumbersome for anything even moderately complex, and they lock you into their ecosystem of products for DB access from your workflow, OCR/Document processing, handing off tasks to humans, and just overall restrict your capabilities unless you pay them huge licensing fees.

It really seems to be an enterprise (and large-scale professional services) focused tool. It was difficult to get support as a small consulting agency working for a small client.

For the most part, the developer community is very insular and lacks a lot of technical skill. Its primarily Indian and latin american developers using RPA to get into the field. It was frustrating at times needing help on a platform-specific issue and being directed by the same social engagement-focused "experts" to watch their own "tutorial" videos when it didn't answer the question I was posing, and they had nothing to offer besides their video. When I did help answer people's questions in the forums, I was hounded with unrelated questions in my direct messages because I appeared competent. Its very much a "here's my problem please fix" kind of community, where the goal is to solve their immediate issue instead of learn how to do it themselves.

I'm a little jaded to the field of RPA after my experiences. UiPath has some novel solutions to targeting GUI elements using a selector language and introspecting the structure of the GUI itself, but the lock-in and licensing costs really make it inaccessible to most small-medium sized businesses, the performance is really poor, and the development effort of making a resilient solution is pretty high.

I think if I were to get back into it, I would look at workflow languages without a visual workflow designer instead, and avoid GUI interaction in the process at all costs.

Re: My biggest mistake as an RPA developer

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RPA is "robotic process automation". The author worked with the uipath.com platform, which looks to be an automation tool to click on screens to automate processes (probably oversimplifying here).

You're not really oversimplifying. RPA is duct tape for situations where it's drastically cheaper to automate personnel doing repetitive tasks out of work and have a fraction of the original team supervise a fleet of(rather persnickety) 'bots' that insert keystrokes and clicks in a legacy application, as opposed to building proper systems integrations or rebuilding the underlying legacy app entirely. I understand the…

I’ve worked adjacent to RPA and I’d like to think they were saving personnel from the most tedious and hair-pullingly annoying work routines.

Not using RPA is like not using macros in your text editor, because they are automating programmers out of work.

Some data can only be accessed through a legacy gui and it needs to be cross referenced with several proprietary databases that also can only be accessed through a gui.

Even if you begin migrating these it can take years if not decades. Meanwhile shit needs to be done.

Re: My biggest mistake as an RPA developer

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Love the acknowledgement for Stefan Schnell('s SAP Tracker). His SAP Blogs contributed a lot to my VBScripts.

I've always been averse to "low code, no code" solutions. Most of the problems that these seem to solve are mostly already addressed by programming tools. Even version control has GUI nowadays.

Re: My biggest mistake as an RPA developer

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RPA is "robotic process automation". The author worked with the uipath.com platform, which looks to be an automation tool to click on screens to automate processes (probably oversimplifying here).

Yep, RPA is just User Interface Automation.

Unfortunately, A lot of RPA companies, including UiPath, have co-opted the word RPA into enterprise marketing, alongside words like 'AI', so the words lose meaning. But RPA is just automating the UI, when no API exists.

Disclosure: I'm a co-founder in an RPA startup. I think RPA is a confusing, historical accident of a name.

Re: My biggest mistake as an RPA developer

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"Native RPA processes are fragile in production"

Because business processes are poorly documented. And if they are more or less documented they are executed by teams that need to override the underlying technology when a "corner case" happens. As someone else has said, shit needs to get done.

You cannot successfully deploy an RPA project without understanding the business process behind it. And that usually means shadowing the people doing the "clerical" work

An interesting perspective comes from the process mining vendors (which is to say Celonis these days), which goes the other way: look at the application logs to extract event data in order to create a model of the business process. And then they move downstream: perform conformance checking (how is the "as-is" model different from the normative BPMN process) and even perform task mining (what are the users doing for each step of the process)

Re: My biggest mistake as an RPA developer

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RPA is "robotic process automation". The author worked with the uipath.com platform, which looks to be an automation tool to click on screens to automate processes (probably oversimplifying here).

Yep, RPA is just User Interface Automation. Unfortunately, A lot of RPA companies, including UiPath, have co-opted the word RPA into enterprise marketing, alongside words like 'AI', so the words lose meaning. But RPA is just automating the UI, when no API exists. Disclosure: I'm a co-founder in an RPA startup. I think RPA is a confusing, historical accident of a name.

context: interned at UiPath on a team doing ML

A lot of unnecessary hype indeed, though you can actually throw in occasional OCR/NER blocks in the workflow you design. Most often it's common NLP tasks on documents being moved around, but also forecasting, etc.

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