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George Hotz against the institutions

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Re: George Hotz against the institutions

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Post by CyberRabbi »

thowaway673y wrote: post #16
CyberRabbi wrote: post #9

Interesting discussion of AI and the decline of civilization. His allergies to power are a bit naive though not completely unfounded, at least Stallman comes to mind as an example of someone who was able to change the course of history without much personal power, instead he crafted ideas that had power. Some ideas are powerful enough to compel enough people to act in line with them. Ultimately accomplishing anything…

RMS is no normal human, he can match with 5 or 6 100x programmers from symbolic company which they have admitted.

Nowhere in my comment is there a suggestion that RMS is a “normal human.” If your intention is not to refute my comment but to add unrelated info, then thank you for that info.

Re: George Hotz against the institutions

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Post by Kina »

octoberfranklin wrote: post #13
moab wrote: post #5

"During our conversation, I was continually struck by the degree to which Hotz and his company are anti-mimetic. Like many founders of tech startups—thanks to the influence of Peter Thiel – Hotz has a passing familiarity with René Girard’s theory of mimetic desire. The theory, now supported by a trove of empirical evidence, posits that our desires do not originate in us but are always learned from models." Perhaps no…

For those who've never heard of Girard's theories, this is a better (and more concise) starting point: http://www.imitatio.org/brief-intro Then you can read the link above, which assumes you're familiar with this stuff and pokes fun at it in the in the most verbose way possible.

> Back more than 50 years ago, René Girard started teaching French literature because he needed a job. He hadn't even read many of the books he was assigned to teach. Then, as he studied the classic novels of Stendhal and Proust with a fresh mind, staying one step ahead of his students, he was struck by a series of similarities from novel to novel. Unbound by any narrow research agenda, Girard discovered a simple but powerful pattern that had eluded sophisticated critics before him: imitation is the fundamental mechanism of human behavior.

This could be a hagiography or a joke, it works either way.

Re: George Hotz against the institutions

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Post by redthrow »

29athrowaway wrote: post #4

George Hotz is an interesting person. He has a YouTube channel with coding sessions and a Twitch channel that's worth watching. The guy sometimes goes on 10+ hour long livecoding marathons.

He also has a blog which is very entertaining to read

https://geohot.github.io/blog/

Re: George Hotz against the institutions

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Post by thowaway673y »

Terry_Roll wrote: post #18
thowaway673y wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also don't forget he was just 16 at the time and most importantly got the balls to live code when he has so much to lose.

At 16, you are highly unlikely to know the law or even be able to working out the ramifications of your actions and most 16yr old have next to nothing to lose.

That's the point, GeoHotz is not a average human. This is not about law its about the capability of GeoHotz.

Re: George Hotz against the institutions

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Post by thowaway673y »

CyberRabbi wrote: post #21
thowaway673y wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RMS is no normal human, he can match with 5 or 6 100x programmers from symbolic company which they have admitted.

Nowhere in my comment is there a suggestion that RMS is a “normal human.” If your intention is not to refute my comment but to add unrelated info, then thank you for that info.

Your comments gives the impression anyone could have substituted RMS place in history. I want to point out that this is not the case. RMS is unique in at least 2 ways. One his intellect stands out even among the 100x programmers. Second willing to sacrifice his personal life for a cause he believes in. Its very rare both intersect. You can see either Einstein level geniuses or Activists who sacrifice their personal life. RMS is an intersection of both. The only other person I can think of is Aaron Swartz.

Re: George Hotz against the institutions

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Post by leobg »

moab wrote: post #5

"During our conversation, I was continually struck by the degree to which Hotz and his company are anti-mimetic. Like many founders of tech startups—thanks to the influence of Peter Thiel – Hotz has a passing familiarity with René Girard’s theory of mimetic desire. The theory, now supported by a trove of empirical evidence, posits that our desires do not originate in us but are always learned from models." Perhaps no…

Buffett said something Girardian, too:

“It’s not greed that moves the world, but envy.”

Re: George Hotz against the institutions

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Post by shimonabi »

trompetenaccoun wrote: post #10
shimonabi wrote: post #7

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Because you found a few buzzwords? It's curious dreamers are often mocked by others. Even more so in this case as many cars already drive around with his garage-built autonomous software. Openpilot is a really cool project, why the hate?

He is a tech influencer with half-baked ideas. Girls post bikini photos on Instagram, he posts coding sessions on Youtube.

It won't be long before he starts pulling Techlead-like scams. The article is already pointing to it.

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