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Re: A sequence that we see all the time in the world of junk science

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Your citations don’t back up your claims, I’m afraid.

The citation is in my comment. Here it is again: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/26/facebook-ban-covid-... More: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-06-07/facebo...

To say that Covid may have originated in a lab would get you censored on youtube, facebook and most other social media

Your citation does not say this.

Re: A sequence that we see all the time in the world of junk science

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"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes" – Author unclear Can we talk about the supposedly "cosmonauts arriving in the ISS wearing Ukraine's color" for a moment by the way? I saw that news posted at least 3 times today on HN, and it has been pushed all days on the front page on all media over here, I even got a notification on my phone from news outlets. But looking deeper i…

Feeling similarly.

Russia is 100% violating international law but is not the only country doing so right now by a longshot.

The US is also pressing a tremendous propaganda effort that seems to ignore domestic issues, other international issues and fully whitewash our own slow-roll of Ukraine's attempts to join the EU (1, 2) or NATO 1. https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/zelenskyy... 2. https://carnegieendowment.org/2018/02/27/eu-and-ukraine-taki...

"further EU approximation will not be achieved so easily. There is frustration in Kiev that a deeper relationship with the EU has not brought a membership perspective or the kind of large-scale financial assistance that new member states have received." (2018)

And the cost of gas continues to go up while crude goes down (3) and we are doing what would have been unthinkable in 2019, pushing more domestic drilling. (4)

3. https://www.marketplace.org/2022/03/18/why-arent-gas-prices-... 4. https://biologicaldiversity.org/w/news/press-releases/new-da...

It truly feels like another set of years in the upside down.

Re: A sequence that we see all the time in the world of junk science

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What’s to talk about? They are wearing uniforms that happen to have the same colors as Ukraine’s flag. > yet news outlet have _zero_ doubt this is a political message from the cosmonauts. Citation please. I’ve seen a couple of articles about it, neither offered a conclusion.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/18/science/russian-astronaut... > ...they were wearing flight suits of striking colors — yellow and blue, similar to the colors of Ukraine’s flag. > The Russian astronauts did not say anything that would suggest that their clothing was a political statement. Yet it seemed difficult to believe it was happenstance. The outfits worn by astronauts in orbit on a daily basis tend to be subdu…

To accurately convey the NYT article, it’s necessary to quote more of it:

> The Russian astronauts did not say anything that would suggest that their clothing was a political statement. Yet it seemed difficult to believe it was happenstance. The outfits worn by astronauts in orbit on a daily basis tend to be subdued. But recent crews from Russia have worn vibrant flight suits of various colors during their arrival, including Yulia Peresild, an actress who arrived on the station in November in a bold red coverall.

> Eric Berger, a space reporter at the website Ars Technica, said the flight suits are usually prepared and packed months in advance but that substitutes could have been added among the last items to be loaded on the spacecraft.

> Eric Berger

> @SciGuySpace

> I still haven't found anyone who really knows why the Russian cosmonauts wore yellow flight suits (with Ukraine blue highlights) to board the ISS. However, this is a revealing answer from the mission commander. Just wild if they smuggled these suits on board.

> Katya Pavlushchenko

> @katlinegrey

> Replying to @Ian_Benecken

> They. We’re asked about the color of the suits, and Oleg answered, there was too much yellow fabric accumulated in the warehouse Except that, just usual greetings and best wishes.

> Jonathan McDowell, a scientist at the Harvard Center for Astrophysics who closely follows space missions, suggested the colors might actually be those of Bauman Moscow State Technical University, which all three of the astronauts — Oleg Artemyev, Denis Matveev and Sergey Korsakov — attended. An official from the university spoke as a guest on the Russian livestream of the launch on Friday.

> Jonathan McDowell

> @planet4589

> It is actually plausible that the 'Ukrainian' color flight suits are in fact "Bauman University" color suits. They made a big deal of this being the first all-Bauman crew. (BMGTU is sort of Moscow's MIT AeroAstro and many Russian astronauts are graduates)

> Ламинат09

> @laminate09

> Replying to @katlinegrey

> Colors are just homage to Baumann MGTU likely

Re: A sequence that we see all the time in the world of junk science

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Here’s a disturbing trend I’ve seen lately: Putin will say something regarding Ukraine, like for instance there are biolabs there which may be used to create biological WMDs. Then right wing media in America starts making the same claim. Trusted conservative voices like Tucker Carlson will spend a good portion of his show talking about the topic, and then he gets rebroadcast in Russia. Meanwhile, whatever he said starts finding it’s way all over the place, including right here on HN. See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30640741

It appears that what’s happening is Putin’s propaganda is being laundered through right wing media, causing conservative Americans to support Putin’s worldview without them even knowing it. I don’t think these people are Putin sympathizers, but many don’t realize they’re pushing his lines. How do we counter this?

Re: A sequence that we see all the time in the world of junk science

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"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes" – Author unclear Can we talk about the supposedly "cosmonauts arriving in the ISS wearing Ukraine's color" for a moment by the way? I saw that news posted at least 3 times today on HN, and it has been pushed all days on the front page on all media over here, I even got a notification on my phone from news outlets. But looking deeper i…

>But looking deeper into this: it seems like they've been using said suits since at least 2015, yet news outlet have _zero_ doubt this is a political message from the cosmonauts.

The action here was not by choosing Ukrainian flag suits. Like in USSR back then and today in Russia it works in a quantum mechanics way, ie. the suits were already there and those cosmonauts and others involved around instead of paying political correct attention and blocking/replacing those suits - as everybody obviously understood the reaction these suits would produce - they just played dummy and used these suits "Oh! these are just what we've always been using."

Re: A sequence that we see all the time in the world of junk science

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The citation is in my comment. Here it is again: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/26/facebook-ban-covid-... More: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-06-07/facebo...

To say that Covid may have originated in a lab would get you censored on youtube, facebook and most other social media Your citation does not say this.

> Facebook will no longer take down posts claiming that Covid-19 was man-made or manufactured, a company spokesperson told POLITICO on Wednesday, a move that acknowledges the renewed debate about the virus’ origins.

Re: A sequence that we see all the time in the world of junk science

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"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes" – Author unclear Can we talk about the supposedly "cosmonauts arriving in the ISS wearing Ukraine's color" for a moment by the way? I saw that news posted at least 3 times today on HN, and it has been pushed all days on the front page on all media over here, I even got a notification on my phone from news outlets. But looking deeper i…

What’s to talk about? They are wearing uniforms that happen to have the same colors as Ukraine’s flag. > yet news outlet have _zero_ doubt this is a political message from the cosmonauts. Citation please. I’ve seen a couple of articles about it, neither offered a conclusion.

Apologies, I may have extended my experience of French media to the rest of the world, I got news titles clearly stating "Cosmonauts wearing Ukraine's colors as sign of protest against the war" (paraphrasing).

Re: A sequence that we see all the time in the world of junk science

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"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes" – Author unclear Can we talk about the supposedly "cosmonauts arriving in the ISS wearing Ukraine's color" for a moment by the way? I saw that news posted at least 3 times today on HN, and it has been pushed all days on the front page on all media over here, I even got a notification on my phone from news outlets. But looking deeper i…

It is hard to do a search on the topic that isn't overwhelmed with 100 large and small new sites all reporting the same thing.

However, thinking critically, what are the odds that these colors just happen to perfectly align with the Ukrainian flag? Also, I've never see any space suite, from any country, in a yellow color. I've at least attempted to find evidence that they've used yellow suits before, but haven't found any. At this point I feel like I'm trying to prove a negative, and would ask anyone who claims that these yellow suits have been used before to please provide evidence.

On the other hand, I doubt those space suits were made in the last 2 weeks.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-ridicules-idea-t...

Reading the above article on the subject I notice a few interesting things. First, the suits were allegedly made some moths ago in the colors of the crews alma mater. They all have the same alma mater? Seems strange.

Second, the article says: "Every crew picks a color that looks different. It was our turn to pick a color," said the cosmonaut. "The truth is, we had accumulated a lot of yellow fabric, so we needed to use it up. That's why we had to wear yellow flight suits." -- They got to pick their colors, and picked yellow because they had extra fabric and HAD to choose yellow? This seems self contradictory. It also doesn't mention alma mater. There's 3 different explanations put forth by the article.

To top it all off, I haven't seen anything about these suits having existed since 2015 like you claim.

I'm not convinced the suits of a space agency were really determined by the amount of excess fabric they had lying around.

Re: A sequence that we see all the time in the world of junk science

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post #7

"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes" – Author unclear Can we talk about the supposedly "cosmonauts arriving in the ISS wearing Ukraine's color" for a moment by the way? I saw that news posted at least 3 times today on HN, and it has been pushed all days on the front page on all media over here, I even got a notification on my phone from news outlets. But looking deeper i…

It is hard to do a search on the topic that isn't overwhelmed with 100 large and small new sites all reporting the same thing. However, thinking critically, what are the odds that these colors just happen to perfectly align with the Ukrainian flag? Also, I've never see any space suite, from any country, in a yellow color. I've at least attempted to find evidence that they've used yellow suits before, but haven't foun…

Here's a picture of the same color suit on the same person in 2015: https://twitter.com/OlegMKS/status/605693958015057921

Re: A sequence that we see all the time in the world of junk science

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To say that Covid may have originated in a lab would get you censored on youtube, facebook and most other social media Your citation does not say this.

> Facebook will no longer take down posts claiming that Covid-19 was man-made or manufactured, a company spokesperson told POLITICO on Wednesday, a move that acknowledges the renewed debate about the virus’ origins.

Right. Facebook would take down content “claiming that Covid-19 was man-made or manufactured”. I’m not arguing against cited claims.

Your wording is broader, emphasis added here to highlight the differences from the above text:

“To say that Covid may have originated in a lab would get you censored on youtube, facebook and most other social media.

In table form, what’s been cited would look like this:

  Service _____ would take down content that said the lab leak / human manufacturing _____ happened:

                Did   Maybe
  YouTube
  Facebook      *
  Most other sm
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