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A Manifesto for the Metaverse

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mirntyfirty wrote: post #10
pavlov wrote: post #3

A disappointing article that’s not a manifesto in any sense. The author doesn’t seem interested in exploring prior art at all, and there’s plenty starting from VRML which was briefly the hype around 1996. Crypto claims are repeated without criticism. For example: “With blockchain, users can maintain a consistent identity across the metaverse simply by verifying their wallet address, which nobody else would have acces…

Yes, it takes a remarkable amount of mental gymnastics to reconcile decentralized transparent information and the Facebook corporation.

I’m saying the existence of crypto wallets does nothing to prevent another Facebook (or indeed the same one), just like the existence of PGP did nothing to prevent Facebook.

The metaverse identity problem is the same as the web identity problem, and it is in no way solved by yet another identifier just because you can attach a pointer to a monkey JPEG to it.

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Post by zmmmmm »

pavlov wrote: post #3

A disappointing article that’s not a manifesto in any sense. The author doesn’t seem interested in exploring prior art at all, and there’s plenty starting from VRML which was briefly the hype around 1996. Crypto claims are repeated without criticism. For example: “With blockchain, users can maintain a consistent identity across the metaverse simply by verifying their wallet address, which nobody else would have acces…

You inspired me to go have a look at VRML. With all respect to the work that has been done, its so incomprehensible to anybody outside the field. And it seems the modern version of it (X3D) is more focused on specifying individual scenes and behaviours, where what we need for the metaverse is the magic sauce that lets people build separate worlds independently and join them together through links. What does a link look like in such a world? is it a door I walk through? a button I press?

We need something radically clearer and simpler to make it successful. I wish I could believe Zuckerberg really wants to build it but it is so hard to see him have the kind of altruism necessary to build any kind of open platform.

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Post by notepalf »

notahacker wrote: post #8

Feels like it misses the point. The "openness" of the web meant that anyone that could use a text editor could have a website and everybody could access it (and most of it worked perfectly if users accessed it asynchronously). The barriers to having your own coherent shared 3D experience a lot higher (and the entities that do it well aren't particularly interested in opening it up to everybody else) And of course the…

This reminds me of https://janusvr.com/ , a way of creating 3D spaces using a markup language and collaboratively browsing an immersive internet

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Post by akomtu »

sdoering wrote: post #4

The first lines of the article actually tell most of the story: > What is the Metaverse? Wired tried to figure it out recently and the results were inconclusive. Where is the metaverse? How do we log in to it? Nobody knows! I read the article and only came away with 'we don't know anything, we use buzzwords to imagine solutions for problems that could be solved without buzzword tech, and call for let's build it'. To…

Metaverse is a collective delusion of Facebook execs who got high on their own supply. Metaverse is meant to be an aquarium where users are fish trapped within the glass walls, and advertisers are customers, watching the fish in its natural habitat and placing bids to show ads to the most colorful species.

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Post by oneoff786 »

giantrobot wrote: post #2

> With blockchain, users can maintain a consistent identity across the metaverse simply by verifying their wallet address, which nobody else would have access to. This can be done with boring old encryption keys and signatures, not stupid blockchain needed. Even then it doesn't solve the avatar problem. If I make an avatar that looks just like someone else (or their avatar) it doesn't matter if people can verify some…

Avatar hashing is basically impossible. The uniqueness of avatars isn’t the same as distinctiveness. Your avatar with a single hair removed looks exactly the same but has a different hash.
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