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Telegram is about to be blocked here in Brazil

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Re: Telegram is about to be blocked here in Brazil

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post #9

The world is gradually sliding into an authoritarian dystopia and nobody is willing to do anything about it. What a time to be alive.

Honestly I don't really see the dystopia here. Telegram refused to comply with legal court orders, and as a result the app can't operate in the country.

Honestly to me this is less dystopian than having unaccountable business wholesale ignore the laws of a nation state, which Telegram seems to do just about anywhere. Not sure since when literally following the law qualified as authoritarianism.

Re: Telegram is about to be blocked here in Brazil

#12
post #9

The world is gradually sliding into an authoritarian dystopia and nobody is willing to do anything about it. What a time to be alive.

Honestly I don't really see the dystopia here. Telegram refused to comply with legal court orders, and as a result the app can't operate in the country. Honestly to me this is less dystopian than having unaccountable business wholesale ignore the laws of a nation state, which Telegram seems to do just about anywhere. Not sure since when literally following the law qualified as authoritarianism.

I don't enjoy giving a-holes a platform but it's way too easy to just point at somebody, call them names that rile up the public, and de-platform them if they are inconvenient for you.

Freedom of speech is important, even if it enables a-holes as a side effect.

Furthermore, this seems like a classic case of political warfare where a company is dragged into the politicians' squabbles and is forced to pick a side. It's an impossible situation for any company involved and we already know even Facebook and Google and Apple gave in.

The "legal court orders" are super easy to craft when you're ruling the country so don't give me that, it's not a good argument at all. Julian Assange and Edward Snowden were also "legally" persecuted. Or will you now say they shouldn't have done what they did?

Re: Telegram is about to be blocked here in Brazil

#13

Doesn't seems like a big problem for me, I can use via tor. But it will be hard or impracticable to convince everybody I know to do the same.

There's a fine for anyone that tries to bypass this, a reasonable R$ 100,000.00 per day, and other punishments.

Nobody will know you're using tor.

Re: Telegram is about to be blocked here in Brazil

#14
post #9

The world is gradually sliding into an authoritarian dystopia and nobody is willing to do anything about it. What a time to be alive.

Honestly I don't really see the dystopia here. Telegram refused to comply with legal court orders, and as a result the app can't operate in the country. Honestly to me this is less dystopian than having unaccountable business wholesale ignore the laws of a nation state, which Telegram seems to do just about anywhere. Not sure since when literally following the law qualified as authoritarianism.

Because the courts are abusing their powers and working against the citizens.

Re: Telegram is about to be blocked here in Brazil

#16

Doesn't seems like a big problem for me, I can use via tor. But it will be hard or impracticable to convince everybody I know to do the same.

> But it will be hard or impracticable to convince everybody I know to do the same.

That's why it is a problem. Messaging apps are for messaging people

Re: Telegram is about to be blocked here in Brazil

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I don't really see the dystopia here. Telegram refused to comply with legal court orders, and as a result the app can't operate in the country. Honestly to me this is less dystopian than having unaccountable business wholesale ignore the laws of a nation state, which Telegram seems to do just about anywhere. Not sure since when literally following the law qualified as authoritarianism.

I don't enjoy giving a-holes a platform but it's way too easy to just point at somebody, call them names that rile up the public, and de-platform them if they are inconvenient for you. Freedom of speech is important, even if it enables a-holes as a side effect. Furthermore, this seems like a classic case of political warfare where a company is dragged into the politicians' squabbles and is forced to pick a side. It's…

>Freedom of speech is important, even if it enables a-holes as a side effect

many things are important and all of them have in common that they find their limits within the bounds of the law. Brazil has a different take on freedom of speech than the US. You can argue about the details of this particular case of course and whether it's politized or not, but it isn't authoritarian at all to demand that tat a tech company acts within regulations. A Russian dude running a company out of Dubai by American speech standards is a nice cosmopolitan tale but has little relevance in Brazil.

>Or will you now say they shouldn't have done what they did?

Yes I think they should not have done what they did, or slightly more nuanced, if they thought it was ethical to do what they did, they should have accepted the punishment. Assange's wholesale dump in particular was damaging not just to US national security but also civilians who assisted American forces and whose identity was exposed, but that's another discussion.

Re: Telegram is about to be blocked here in Brazil

#19
From Durov's Channel at Telegram:

"It seems that we had an issue with emails going between our telegram.org corporate addresses and the Brazilian Supreme Court. As a result of this miscommunication, the Court ruled to ban Telegram for being unresponsive.

On behalf of our team, I apologize to the Brazilian Supreme Court for our negligence. We definitely could have done a better job.

We complied with an earlier court decision in late February and responded with a suggestion to send future takedown requests to a dedicated email address. Unfortunately, our response must have been lost, because the Court used the old general-purpose email address in further attempts to reach us. As a result, we missed its decision in early March that contained a follow-up takedown request. Luckily, we have now found and processed it, delivering another report to the Court today.

Because tens of millions of Brazilians rely on Telegram to communicate with family, friends and colleagues, I ask the Court to consider delaying its ruling for a few days at its discretion to allow us to remedy the situation by appointing a representative in Brazil and setting up a framework to react to future pressing issues like this in an expedited manner.

The last 3 weeks have been unprecedented for the world and for Telegram. Our content moderation team was flooded with requests from multiple parties. However, I am certain that once a reliable channel of communication is established, we'll be able to efficiently process takedown requests for public channels that are illegal in Brazil."

https://t.me/durov/180

Re: Telegram is about to be blocked here in Brazil

#20
post #9

The world is gradually sliding into an authoritarian dystopia and nobody is willing to do anything about it. What a time to be alive.

Honestly I don't really see the dystopia here. Telegram refused to comply with legal court orders, and as a result the app can't operate in the country. Honestly to me this is less dystopian than having unaccountable business wholesale ignore the laws of a nation state, which Telegram seems to do just about anywhere. Not sure since when literally following the law qualified as authoritarianism.

Every censor was also doing something legal. It doesn't make their censorship any more rightful.
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