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IPhone 4S: A5 chip, 8MP camera, and Siri voice recognition

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Re: IPhone 4S: A5 chip, 8MP camera, and Siri voice recognition

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AT&T has consistently let it's best customers upgrade to new iPhone releases without enforcing the contract -- charging subsidized prices to upgrade to newer iPhone models. Will Sprint and Verizon done the same, or is switching to Sprint now will commit one to sit out next iPhone?

Wait what? I've been AT&T since the original iPhone and AT&T has never let me upgrade, despite the massive amount of money I spent on my mobile plan.

Re: IPhone 4S: A5 chip, 8MP camera, and Siri voice recognition

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I really don't get it. Why's everyone underwhelmed? Is a new case the only thing people wanted?

Because Apple did nothing to quash rumors of the iPhone 5. This makes me think that the decision not to launch it was made very late. Usually Apple is better about managing expectations.

There is no end to the amount of noodling we can entertain about Apple's "expectations-setting". "The orbital laser cannons must have been canceled at the last minute!"

In the end, you have to evaluate the device on its own merits. The iPhone 4 may be Apple's most successful product ever, so perhaps this is just "if it ain't broke"-ism. The iPhone 4 is holding its own against all the Android competitors; is it the C.W. now that the 4S will do worse?

Re: IPhone 4S: A5 chip, 8MP camera, and Siri voice recognition

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"And iPhone 4S is a world phone, so you can use it almost anywhere. Whether you’re a GSM or CDMA customer, you can roam GSM networks in 200 countries around the world." The term 'roam' is throwing me off there, does that mean you can't swap in your own sim card? That you have to use the roaming feature on whatever your current carrier is?

From footnote 4 in the tech specs at http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html ("CDMA available only if iPhone 4S is sold and activated for use on a CDMA network."), I'm guessing/hoping that if you get a CDMA phone in the US, it will come with an unlocked GSM radio.

Re: IPhone 4S: A5 chip, 8MP camera, and Siri voice recognition

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You lost me at Mango and iOS being in the same category - and then you want to "throw Android out and start from scratch"?... what? Android is not quite iOS but its a very close second and better than what anyone else has been capable of creating.

iOS and Mango are in the same class in fundamentals. Use a device with iOS, Mango, and Android. Honestly, try it. The iOS and Mango device respond very similarly to basic things like swipes, pinches, etc... Android is a lot more jittery, even on the SGII HW. The odd thing with Android is that it's not a LOT less jittery on the G1 (although it is). Android is second best in apps. And #1 in terms of market dominance. B…

Dead right on this. The big 2 complaints I hear from iOS to Android users are the stutter and app/content discoverability. Google should be able to plug both of these gaps though and if this release doesn't do it they stand to lose a lot to forked implementations like Amazon's.

New Android update next week though. Is it just me or did they really miss a golden opportunity to go head to head before people pre-order 4GS's this week. Google should have counterprogrammed their event for tomorrow.

Re: IPhone 4S: A5 chip, 8MP camera, and Siri voice recognition

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This is a pretty underwhelming release. At least for waiting 16 months since the last phone. I sincerely hope Apple isn't about to do a replay of the Mac. Great introduction with incredible technology. But a few years into it, begins to stagnate. HW wise this nothing like the iPhone 4. The iPhone 4 was a far superior device over the Galaxy S phones. The Galaxy S II though is pretty close to this. In terms of the raw…

You lost me at Mango and iOS being in the same category - and then you want to "throw Android out and start from scratch"?... what? Android is not quite iOS but its a very close second and better than what anyone else has been capable of creating.

There was an article posted here a while back comparing Android's screen painting to IOS. Basically, Android behaves like every other OS's screen painting API, where when the screen needs to scroll, the whole thing must be re-rendered, but iOS renders the whole screen and uses a view camera to pan the screen beneath, hence fast scrolling.

(Please forgive my poor use of terminology. I'm sure someone else can do a much better job of explaining this.)

Re: IPhone 4S: A5 chip, 8MP camera, and Siri voice recognition

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post #51
post #45

AT&T has consistently let it's best customers upgrade to new iPhone releases without enforcing the contract -- charging subsidized prices to upgrade to newer iPhone models. Will Sprint and Verizon done the same, or is switching to Sprint now will commit one to sit out next iPhone?

Wait what? I've been AT&T since the original iPhone and AT&T has never let me upgrade, despite the massive amount of money I spent on my mobile plan.

This doesn't make sense. When you near the end of your 2-year contract AT&T will subsidize your purchase of your next phone (e.g. the $199, $299, $399 price points for the 4S announced today).

If you aren't near the end of your 2-year contract then you are basically still paying off the purchase of your original phone and so AT&T (and other carriers) aren't going to give you the subsidy to purchase a new phone although they might pro-rate it.

How has your experience been different?

Re: IPhone 4S: A5 chip, 8MP camera, and Siri voice recognition

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This is a pretty underwhelming release. At least for waiting 16 months since the last phone. I sincerely hope Apple isn't about to do a replay of the Mac. Great introduction with incredible technology. But a few years into it, begins to stagnate. HW wise this nothing like the iPhone 4. The iPhone 4 was a far superior device over the Galaxy S phones. The Galaxy S II though is pretty close to this. In terms of the raw…

I would guess they're banking on LTE for the iPhone 5... so in that step up you'll see a much bigger upgrade, but as a technology LTE is probably a bit immature for Apple's standards.

Unless data caps get overhauled with LTE rollouts (hahaha, right), it's impossible for me to get excited about stupid fast connections you can only use at full throttle for about 45 minutes per month.

Sprint just capped their WiMax phone tethering and modems, they'll surely cap the phones themselves when load increases.

Re: IPhone 4S: A5 chip, 8MP camera, and Siri voice recognition

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This is a pretty underwhelming release. At least for waiting 16 months since the last phone. I sincerely hope Apple isn't about to do a replay of the Mac. Great introduction with incredible technology. But a few years into it, begins to stagnate. HW wise this nothing like the iPhone 4. The iPhone 4 was a far superior device over the Galaxy S phones. The Galaxy S II though is pretty close to this. In terms of the raw…

With Apple, it's not about specs, it never has been. It's about the UX and I've not seen anything on Android that can match the iPhone 4 much less the 4S. The iPhone 4's specs may be 16 months old, but the iPhone 4 UX is from 2015.

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As an Android user and admitted Google fanboy, there's a secret part of me that always hopes the new iPhone will be so much and so unequivocably better that I'll want to switch. I really like the iPhone 4/4s ID, but I am a bit disappointed that there's not a shiny new chassis with something to blow me away. No doubt the camera (now even more so) is better than anything on any Android device, probably by a lot. The pi…

> I want now is something like Locale or Tasker, background apps that allow me change phone settings according to different criteria, e.g. when I'm at home, my ringer and wifi turns on, when I leave home they turn off.

Yeah a more integrated Reminder, which can handle switching settings: it has geofenced tasks and todos, system hooks would be pretty cool.

Re: IPhone 4S: A5 chip, 8MP camera, and Siri voice recognition

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I was hoping for an iPhone 5 with a new design, but I'm still very excited about this. The extra processing power combined with the low level speed improvements in iOS 5 are going to be HUGE for app developers. The only letdown for me is seeing Apple do things that compete with their app developers: the new Cards app, Reminders, etc.

If you develop an app that is so universally useful that everyone would want it on their phone, Apple will copy it. You are picking up nickels in front of a bulldozer but in exactly this kind of apps some people managed to pick up lots of nickels before the bulldozer got them.
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