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How Zillow's homebuying scheme lost $881M

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Re: How Zillow's homebuying scheme lost $881M

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Zillow's estimates of home values in my area have consistently been 150% of actual prices, as far as I've seen over the past years. Not that I've looked that closely and given that this is a hard area for them with low sales and a broad range of values for reasons not easy for their algorithms to quantify.

However, I always took that to be intentional, sort of a "see how valuable your home is / how high the values are where you're looking at"; hype that cost them nothing but made everyone feel better. Did the person that set that "glamor bonus" fudge factor get fired or just wasn't allowed to talk to the team deciding offer prices?

Re: How Zillow's homebuying scheme lost $881M

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Zillow's estimates of home values in my area have consistently been 150% of actual prices, as far as I've seen over the past years. Not that I've looked that closely and given that this is a hard area for them with low sales and a broad range of values for reasons not easy for their algorithms to quantify. However, I always took that to be intentional, sort of a "see how valuable your home is / how high the values ar…

Odd. My house is valued at $330k on zillow, would sell for $420K+ in a few days.

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Zillow's estimates of home values in my area have consistently been 150% of actual prices, as far as I've seen over the past years. Not that I've looked that closely and given that this is a hard area for them with low sales and a broad range of values for reasons not easy for their algorithms to quantify. However, I always took that to be intentional, sort of a "see how valuable your home is / how high the values ar…

Odd. My house is valued at $330k on zillow, would sell for $420K+ in a few days.

Mine is pretty accurate ($2.5M), based on recent sales and a couple of solicitations from realtor friends.

FWIW, we have had a high frequency of home sales in the past year, so that might help. I just looked up my previous house (sold 5 years ago), and Zillow is saying $740K, which I am pretty sure is massively overvalued, however the street it is on, and general area, have a fairly low turnover, so less recent data.

Re: How Zillow's homebuying scheme lost $881M

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Zillow's estimates of home values in my area have consistently been 150% of actual prices, as far as I've seen over the past years. Not that I've looked that closely and given that this is a hard area for them with low sales and a broad range of values for reasons not easy for their algorithms to quantify. However, I always took that to be intentional, sort of a "see how valuable your home is / how high the values ar…

Another anecdote: I’m in Oakland, where condo prices went down slightly during the pandemic overall, yet Zillow’s estimates are always much higher than Redfin’s (which seem to be in the same ballpark as the sale prices).

Re: How Zillow's homebuying scheme lost $881M

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I recently bought a home. We toured a Zillow home, and I can understand what they were going for and where they failed.

We were able to pull up to the driveway, book a tour for that minute, and walk in the front door. It was almost a magical experience compared to the process of finding and going to showings. The listings were clear and thorough. The experience was extremely compelling.

The downside: the homes were absurdly overpriced. I bought a home for about 10% less than the last Zillow listing. For less, I got three times the land, 40% more square footage, a better location, updated appliances, new carpets, landscaped back yard, horseshoe driveway, two car garage. Almost zero effort had been put into modernizing the Zillow home and it showed.

I suspect if I had come in with a very low offer, they'd have accepted it. But for what?

If I was Zillow, I'd have licensed the tech to realtors. I'd definitely be inclined to buy a home through them if they weren't the ones selling the property directly.

Re: How Zillow's homebuying scheme lost $881M

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They should’ve set it up so you can be sent a set of cameras to put across your house, they photograph and setup a smart lock, etc.

In return people would be able t book a viewing to your house without a buyers agent nor would a sellers agent be involved. Cut both parties out, pass some savings to the buyer and seller and take a large cut.

Everyone wins.

Re: How Zillow's homebuying scheme lost $881M

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I am especially annoyed at Zillow SF holding "Data Science" meetups in San Francisco at the penthouse place, while advertising for TWO data science positions.. meanwhile, frat guys are at the golf course by the dozens, across three states. The people that they hired at that time, probably built this setup exactly as required by the frat guys. Happy banking Zillow!

Re: How Zillow's homebuying scheme lost $881M

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The scary thing is that it's easy to see how something how like this could drive a market boom and bust cycle. I'm imagining a scenario where two iBuyer companies try to outbid each other algorithmically, driving the prices further and further out of reach of people who are looking for a primary home.

Tangentially related, I talked to a friend who works on geospatial data for one of the big vacation rental companies, and he was remarking how many homes in many desirable areas are now rentals. It's not that uncommon to see nearly entire neighborhoods converted to short term rentals now in some areas where they're still legal. Hearing that really depressed me.

We often talk about automation in terms of replacing various types of labor, but I've become really interested in automation creating adverse market incentives for smaller market participants because that's exactly what buying real estate right now feels like.

It's honestly quite scary how I'm in the top 2% of income earners in my generation and yet I could barely afford to buy a small place in a semi-desirable area. I can easily see myself not being able to compete in algorithmically dominated markets flush with venture cash in the future and I earn more than just about everybody I know today.

Re: How Zillow's homebuying scheme lost $881M

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The author has a valid point in that the information asymmetry will attract sellers whose property is overvalued to sell to Zillow. I suspect though that something different happened in reality. I live in a 70 unit condo building, so there are a lot of very good comparables. Zillow bought one of the units about 10% over market value, which makes me think that they're doing some sort of market manipulation, like charging a 20% fee that is not part of the real estate record. So they wanted to pump up prices, but it didn't work.
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