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Re: Zotero 6

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Post by orlp »

copperx wrote: post #155
ashton314 wrote: post #119

I’ve been using the better of this for, gosh, must be about two years now. It has been so much fun to use. I read papers and annotate them on my iPad, and it syncs up to my laptop without any problems. I recently considered turning on WebDAV to sync my growing collection of documents, but Zotero has been so useful to my workflow, that I decided to buy some storage from them. I am more than happy to give them a few bu…

What is the better product that you're using?

I believe the author intended to say that they've been using this tool "for the better part of 2 years", meaning roughly 1-2 years, not that they were using something better than it.

Re: Zotero 6

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Post by [deleted] »

rockmemozart wrote: post #30

The only thing holding me back from using Zotero is that, afaik, you need to use a Zotero account to reliably sync metadata between devices (the Zotero Data Server isn't supported). I wish it was easier to self-host; there's no reason for me to interact with their servers. It's always a disappointment to find otherwise great open source projects that have key components that deny privacy.

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Re: Zotero 6

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Post by runiq »

cxr wrote: post #170
copperx wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I almost thought you were being serious. I find it hard to detect sarcasm on HN.

It's not sarcasm[1][2]. And as bad as it sounds, it's not worse than most other build systems[3][4] (including Firefox's own build system[5], or anything based on Electron[6]). 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25458080 > 2. https://github.com/zotero/zotero-standalone-build/blob/5.0.9... > 3. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29125925 > 4. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24495646 > 5. https://merveilles…

…holy cow. I also thought you were joking. When I read the headline and that Z6 is the "biggest upgrade in Zotero's history," I was absolutely looking forward to it ditching XULRunner and friends.

This… this is not what I had in mind.

Re: Zotero 6

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Post by jrochkind1 »

dstillman wrote: post #144
jrochkind1 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

thank you! I maybe have seen this doc page before... I'm afraid I don't find it totally clear! Do you have any advice for the simplest way to do this from these docs, if starting from scratch? Or what most people do? If you were writing a new website yourself, just an ordinary, say, Rails app, that was not based on library formats like MARC... which method would you use to expose to zotero? COinS is pretty limited an…

> ` ` tags "using the Google/Highwire key-value system" sounds prommising -- but I'm having trouble finding a list of valid keys at the documentation linked to! They're in the Indexing section of the linked Google page, just formatted in a particularly unreadable manner: https://scholar.google.com/intl/en/scholar/inclusion.html#in... That will let you specify a PDF (`citation_pdf_url`) as well. Should be mostly self-…

Thanks, your feedback is super helpful! Answering some things I haven't managed to figure out confidently on my own beofre now. Sounds like Google/highwire might be the simplest at this point. Still curious if you have any other recommendations!

Actually, one thing I'm still unclear on how is to supply a book/monograph citation, since google/highwire isn't focused on that (not sure if it's possible with google/highwire). Or do I have to resort to a different format for that? (One like "coins" that might not let me supply all relevant fields? :( )

> We're planning to support `` elements to any supported format — basically a modern replacement for unAPI, which went defunct before CSL could be listed as an option — but CSL wouldn't let you specify a PDF anyway.

That sounds great! The key is still what formats are available -- somehow there aren't any great ones. I wonder if it would make sense for zotero to actually develop one that lets you simply describe what zotero means, and everything.

But sounds like maybe most people wouldn't want to use that anyway, as you say, they want something that will be used by Google and others. (The lack of a suitable standard used by multiple parties, to me reminds me of my thoughts on living in an era of death of internet standardization).

Maybe embedded google/highwire is the best option -- I wonder if zotero docs page could beneficially highlight this, suggest that if you're coming to this from a clean slate and just want the simplest/easiest thing that will work, the google/highwire meta tags are probably a good one. Perhaps with guidance on finding the actual keys in the Google docs, and even linking to the zotero mappings as you've done here!

And the other part that's still not clear to me is what to do on a `list` page -- I understand zotero sometimes can handle being activated on a page listing several articles/citations, and export them all. But I am not sure how to handle that.

(I suspect there are still other things I'd have to spend time reverse engineering, that aren't clear from the pretty sketchy google docs, once I get to the details.. but only one way to find out, I guess! When I've invested time in this before, I've ended up blocked and unable to figure things out. Is there a zotero discussion forum where I'd have a chance of getting questions like this answered from experts?)

Re: Zotero 6

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Post by btrettel »

btrettel wrote: post #61
hs86 wrote: post #33

How good is Zotero as a bookmark manager similar to Pinboard.in or Raindrop.io? Both have a paid feature that stores a permanent copy of a site, but these are stored only on their servers, and Pinboard's archive download feature never worked for me.

I've used Zotero for over a decade to save webpages. It works fine in my experience, though I'd prefer if Zotero saved all the assets in a single file.

Looks like Zotero used to not save in a single file but now does.

Re: Zotero 6

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Post by btrettel »

copperx wrote: post #159
btrettel wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used Zotero for over a decade to save webpages. It works fine in my experience, though I'd prefer if Zotero saved all the assets in a single file.

Isn't it easier to just store a link to archive.org?

I don't think so. Saving a webpage to Zotero involves pressing one button in your browser.

Re: Zotero 6

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Post by ryanwwest »

jcuenod wrote: post #76
_aavaa_ wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a similar setup (Zotero + dropbox). Zotero syncs the entries and any notes, but dropbox takes care of the pdf storage. You can swap out dropbox for your storage of choice. I use zotfile ( http://zotfile.com ) to handle this. Files are all stored in a single folder (which can be in different locations depending on computer) which I point zotfile to. Inside that each paper is put into a folder based on author na…

Another +1 for Zotfile, but Z6 looks like it bakes in some of zotfile's features.

I'm glad it includes some, but perhaps not the feature of storing pdfs in a different place so they can be easily synced via Dropbox? While I'd like to have as few extensions as possible, maybe I'll neat to keep Zotfile around regardless.

Re: Zotero 6

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Post by WHA8m »

kkfx wrote: post #84
WHA8m wrote: post #19

I'm with Zotero for about 2 weeks and I'm very much in love with it. I use it mainly to store and categorize downloaded Websites (SingelFile) and PDFs. While a PDF viewer (and every functionality that comes with it) is greatly appreciated, I'd wish for same for html and other formats. That'd be overkill :) One thing that I really miss and actual slows my process, is a proper tag-system. Something like Anki has: being…

I suggest to store them on de-duplicated filesystem or manually run fdupes and co to hardlink any duplicate in your Zotero lib because most modern websites are full of big js and zotero copy them countless of time, if you have a non marginal set of mirrored pages you probably waste more than 60% of occupied storage just in duplicates...

I have to check my folders for that. Since I am using SingleFile for downloading websites, I get single HTML files (as the name of the program says) so there shouldn't be any JS included...

Re: Zotero 6

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Post by dstillman »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #174
dstillman wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ` ` tags "using the Google/Highwire key-value system" sounds prommising -- but I'm having trouble finding a list of valid keys at the documentation linked to! They're in the Indexing section of the linked Google page, just formatted in a particularly unreadable manner: https://scholar.google.com/intl/en/scholar/inclusion.html#in... That will let you specify a PDF (`citation_pdf_url`) as well. Should be mostly self-…

Thanks, your feedback is super helpful! Answering some things I haven't managed to figure out confidently on my own beofre now. Sounds like Google/highwire might be the simplest at this point. Still curious if you have any other recommendations! Actually, one thing I'm still unclear on how is to supply a book/monograph citation, since google/highwire isn't focused on that (not sure if it's possible with google/highwi…

> Is there a zotero discussion forum where I'd have a chance of getting questions like this answered from experts?

Yep, post to the Zotero Forums at https://forums.zotero.org with any questions.

Re: Zotero 6

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Post by ashton314 »

copperx wrote: post #155
ashton314 wrote: post #119

I’ve been using the better of this for, gosh, must be about two years now. It has been so much fun to use. I read papers and annotate them on my iPad, and it syncs up to my laptop without any problems. I recently considered turning on WebDAV to sync my growing collection of documents, but Zotero has been so useful to my workflow, that I decided to buy some storage from them. I am more than happy to give them a few bu…

What is the better product that you're using?

Whoops, yeah, mean to say "I've been using Zotero for the better part of two years now." A better Zotero there is not. :) Sheesh… must have been late or something—don't know why I typed that.
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