I refuse to own an oven that is internet connected. If my oven has enough of a computer to have a firmware that can be updated remotely, it is too dangerous to own.
Also devices that require a smartphone to operate e.g. the joule.
AEG combi microwave unusable after update: device thinks it is a steam oven
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#42Why in the world would one connect a microwave to the Internet in the first point?! (I guess that's the way they received the wrong update...)
Well for security updates of course! As to why it needs security updates, it's because it's connected(able) to the internet.
"The kitchen of the future will only employ one man and one dog: the man’s job is to feed the dog, the dog’s job is to bite the man if he tries to touch anything”.
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#43It's installed into a cabinet, so there's no quick access for a visiting technician to get to the back panel, let alone the internals, in case they need to access a debug port to reflash it.
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#44The future is here and it's awful.
"Oh my God — it's full of ads!"
Re: AEG combi microwave unusable after update: device thinks it is a steam oven
#45I refuse to own an oven that is internet connected. If my oven has enough of a computer to have a firmware that can be updated remotely, it is too dangerous to own.
My oven is Internet connected. It can't be turned on remotely unless I press a button on the oven itself, and even then it'll only allow it once. The WiFi functionality is also such total garbage that it'll only stay connected for a few days, and requires physically unplugging and re-plugging the power to the oven to get it to reconnect.
How did software engineering get to the point where this kind of low quality update is shipped "too often" for serious circumstances like a physical oven? Like it's hardly notable news anymore for something like this to happen. It's frequent.
I worry that agile is largely responsible, and has mutated into a pipeline for garbage, though I don't have any evidence to confirm that suspicion.
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#46I refuse to own an oven that is internet connected. If my oven has enough of a computer to have a firmware that can be updated remotely, it is too dangerous to own.
Also devices that require a smartphone to operate e.g. the joule.
Imagine trying to sell this premise to somebody 50 years ago.
> It's a toaster, just like the one you already have on your counter, except it won't work unless you give the manufacturer a copy of your rolodex.
People then would laugh in your face, but today most people don't even seem to blink. The absurd has been normalized.
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#47I refuse to own an oven that is internet connected. If my oven has enough of a computer to have a firmware that can be updated remotely, it is too dangerous to own.
I'm starting a kitchen upgrade, and the number of "connected" kitchen appliances is astonishing. I don't need my faucet to have Alexa, I don't want to read news on my refrigerator, and I don't want an app for my oven. I'm not aware of any companies keeping servers running for a product that matches the life expectancy of a kitchen appliance, nor do I want an AWS outage to keep me from making nachos.
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#48Any kind of Internet connectivity on an appliance is a strong anti-feature for me. I can't think of a single reason I would want it, and it seems like it would either be a privacy invasion or a source of headaches. Unfortunately I think for the average customer this is a "blue crystals" feature, something they don't really need and probably don't use much but that makes the device feel new and cool. Mass market produ…
The analog thermostat of my fridge broke, a replacement thermostat didn't work reliably.
So around two or three years ago I replaced it with an ESP2866, a relay and an ds18b20.
It worked great, except that the logic was outside the fridge on a home server, it was a a Python script which also logged the data into InfluxDB. The issue then was that sometimes when the server was down, the fridge stayed on or off.
Last week I started to reorganize my WiFi, which devices access which APs, and since then it had constant disconnects, so I decided to finally fix this issue.
Now it's an ESP32 with the logic in code which now only posts to the server for InfluxDB-logging and is upgradeable via OTA and parameters can be set via http://fridge.home/esp?data={"set-fridge":{"max":7,"min":5.5...}
It's been fun doing this and extended the lifetime of the fridge for a couple of years.
But I also would never buy an internet connected fridge or any type of appliance, unless it could be flashed with some OSS to make it cloud-free.
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#49See also "My dishwasher won’t start until I let it update its firmware over the WiFi" (Jan 31):
* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30147379
And "GE won’t let me use convection roast on my new oven without connecting to WiFi" (Mar 5):
Re: AEG combi microwave unusable after update: device thinks it is a steam oven
#50When connecting to it, does it return http status 418?
Bless you, I knew this was ringing bells but couldn’t quite place it.