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The Day George Soros Broke the Bank of England to Make $1.1B (2021)

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Re: The Day George Soros Broke the Bank of England to Make $1.1B (2021)

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> For many, it was obvious that the pound sterling was overvalued > The Bank of England was finally forced to give up the fight a few hours after the attack, announcing its exit from the European monetary system with a devaluation of about 15% Sounds like George Soros just fixed a disequilibrium? How is he the bad guy in this story?

By causing a recession? Money in the banking system isn't owned by the banks, it comes from the general public.

The UK was already in recession by time. Soros most definitely did not cause it. The British economy rebounded sharply afterwards, helped at least in part by the fact that British labour was suddenly more price competitive.

Re: The Day George Soros Broke the Bank of England to Make $1.1B (2021)

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Appeared in multiple deranged conspiracy theories.

That's more like being the target or victim rather than being the bad guy. I do not specially like or dislike Soros but do not think he is part of any conspiracy other than being an oligarch.

> other than being an oligarch.

How on earth is Soros an oligarch?

Re: The Day George Soros Broke the Bank of England to Make $1.1B (2021)

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I think there's a knee-jerk reaction to short-sellers or actions like this because they cause loss of value for a mass of people. I, frankly, don't understand it. Those ultimately responsible are the entities that pumped up a bubble in the first place. Shooting the messenger who is effectively saying "this valuation is unreasonable" is counterproductive. It's like blaming the guy who brings a scam to your attention i…

On a related note, I wonder why glorified investors like Michael Burry aren’t instead demonized for contributing to, and profiting from, the near collapse of the American economy in 2008 (obviously it’s not Burry’s fault that banks gave out shit mortgages, nor is it Soros’ fault that the pound sterling was overvalued. They both took large positions to profit off these events as economies crashed)

Because Burry et al helped collapse it sooner and softer, and their profits came from the banks’ losses.

Re: The Day George Soros Broke the Bank of England to Make $1.1B (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

By causing a recession? Money in the banking system isn't owned by the banks, it comes from the general public.

The UK was already in recession by time. Soros most definitely did not cause it. The British economy rebounded sharply afterwards, helped at least in part by the fact that British labour was suddenly more price competitive.

> that British labour was suddenly more price competitive

That seems to translate to "workers were getting paid less and their savings were devalued" to me. Am I mistaken?

Re: The Day George Soros Broke the Bank of England to Make $1.1B (2021)

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If I have to read "massive speculative attack" one more time... Almost every paragraph ends with this, and it takes 5 paragraphs just to start explaining what the attack was and how it worked. This wouldn't pass high school English.

Your high school didn't grade essays based on engagement? /s

Re: The Day George Soros Broke the Bank of England to Make $1.1B (2021)

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Even if I leave my front door unlocked it's not your prerogative to empty my house. The locked door is there to suggest that it's a immensely stupid idea. I cannot begin to imagine the self entitled bull, someone peddles to themselves, to justify corruption and greed at this level.

It's not an unlocked door situation and it wasn't illegal. It's more akin to you betting on the wrong horse and being mad at the other guy who bet on the right one for losing your money when it's your fault for gambling instead of doing something else.

It wasn’t just a horse bet by my reading of the article. It was more like they noticed that there was an opportunity to hobble a horse if you and your buddies rush the field and that the odds makers were not anticipating this so you bet otherwise.

You can marvel at the technical ingenuity of a heist like this but the ethics are dubious. The strongest counter is that the Bank of England wasn’t paying attention but that’s mildly victim claiming just like it would be if a company fell prey to a novel 0-day software exploit.

Re: The Day George Soros Broke the Bank of England to Make $1.1B (2021)

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He's the bad guy of the story because he's a billionaire who made a $1.1Gb at the expense of the ordinary people living in the UK at the time. He forced mortgage rates, for example, to shoot up to 15%, with crippling monthly payments for a large chunk of the population. Note that the article author is a cryptocurrency cultist, so he'll be all in favour of unscrupulous people enriching themselves at the expense of oth…

> He forced mortgage rates, for example, to shoot up to 15%, with crippling monthly payments for a large chunk of the population. While this may be true, it is entirely the fault of the dumb UK mortgage market that does not provide for fixed-rate mortgages for the full term of the loan. In the US, 30 year fixed rates are the norm. In the UK you’re lucky to get 5 years fixed.

Interesting. In Canada you can only get up to 5 years fixed typically. Mortgage itself is 25 years but terms change every 5 usually. 30y fixed feels... Crazy. How much above market does it have to be for banks to take that risk??

Re: The Day George Soros Broke the Bank of England to Make $1.1B (2021)

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The myth is about Soros, but it was a network of largely U.S. investment banks that co-ordinated and piled on to raid the BoE. Consider that the GameStonks craze where people just really, really liked the stock got threatened with charges of market manipulation, almost took out Robinhood, with contagion exposure to Citadel with system wide risk, and caused back door intervention by Fed authorities and even the Whitehouse - Soros' payday is evidence for Balzac's adage that behind every great fortune lies a great crime. I have no doubt what he did would be absolutely criminal today.

He went on to create the Open Society Foundations, which supported and co-ordinated aspects of the (then) progressive anti-globalization movement of the 90s I was involved in. At the time the movement was mostly anti-capitalist, uniting labor and civil society against (neo-liberal) trade agreements designed to exploit the poverty and authoritarianism of other countries and to hollow out western economies by exporting manufacturing jobs, and against exploitative policies by the IMF, who used loans to indebt and subordinate elected governments and force privatization and sale of their infrastructure to transnational corps and roll back environmental protection. (see, confessions of an economic hitman, nologo, etc.) Ostensibly noble causes.

It almost seemed like a billionaire's noblesse oblige. Soros was the "good capitalist." The movements themselves failed after 9/11, and Occupy was a whimper in comparison to the battles of Seattle, Quebec City, Turin, and others. The US rust belt was exported destroyed in the 90's and 2000s, laying the ground for the populist revolt that created 2015 election result. However, his OSF foundations and network of NGOs flourished, installing progressive activists from the era in colleges and political parties, and other key institutions.

Trouble is, these weren't working class labor organizers and anarcho-anti-capitalists, they were technocrats, equipped with an ideology whose specific endgame is central economic co-ordination, and it was nominally anti-capitalist in the sense that it is against the individualistic cultural aspects of smallholders and the autonomy and values small business provides, and that it uses critical theory as a tool to dissolve the bonds of societies. This is the kernel of truth beneath the layers of hallucinatory conspiracy theory.

To me, Soros is just a visionary criminal who learned about totalitarianism from the inside during his youth, and has funded his own vision of that technocratic system. That's not a conspiracy theory, that's just what any billionaire criminal with a will to power seeking to build a empire would do, and imo, he has.

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