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Re: Zotero 6

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Post by Ar-Curunir »

d110af5ccf wrote: post #110
sva_ wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hint: You can sync the library for free by making an account. You need the "Zotero Storage" only if you want to sync the files as well. However, you can simply sync the folder ~/Zotero/storage using SyncThing. You could also use WebDAV, but SyncThing is just so much easier (set up & forget). The IDs/Metadata is consistent among syncs. :) Of course, that doesn't resolve the privacy concerns, but personally idc about t…

This is completely missing the point of GP. You can't (unless something has changed) sync metadata without using their servers. webdav is for the data, not the metadata. If you don't personally care about privacy, fine, but that's irrelevant here. Replicating the local Zotero folder across devices won't properly sync the metadata in the face of concurrent changes. If I didn't care about privacy and freedom I would ha…

> If I didn't care about privacy and freedom I would have just used a proprietary product to begin with.

You are entirely free to use one of the many proprietary products...

Re: Zotero 6

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Post by ntnsndr »

dstillman wrote: post #98
jrochkind1 wrote: post #93

As someone who writes web apps used by academics... I find it really hard to find documentationon on how to make my web site/app work well with zotero! They seem so used to more-or-less adversarial web development, that when we're like "We want to make this work as well as possible with zotero, like I'm going to spend development time doing that, can you give me some clear docs on my options?" -- I have trouble findi…

https://www.zotero.org/support/dev/exposing_metadata (Disclosure: Zotero dev)

Thank you for your amazing work!

Re: Zotero 6

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Post by wanderingmind »

As good as zotero is, it reminds me of the horrors of grad school and how countless livelihoods of really smart and intelligent are destroyed every year in the name of science and research, who don't have any employable skills to find a decent job.

Re: Zotero 6

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Post by bleedingsaber »

sva_ wrote: post #40
rockmemozart wrote: post #30

The only thing holding me back from using Zotero is that, afaik, you need to use a Zotero account to reliably sync metadata between devices (the Zotero Data Server isn't supported). I wish it was easier to self-host; there's no reason for me to interact with their servers. It's always a disappointment to find otherwise great open source projects that have key components that deny privacy.

Hint: You can sync the library for free by making an account. You need the "Zotero Storage" only if you want to sync the files as well. However, you can simply sync the folder ~/Zotero/storage using SyncThing. You could also use WebDAV, but SyncThing is just so much easier (set up & forget). The IDs/Metadata is consistent among syncs. :) Of course, that doesn't resolve the privacy concerns, but personally idc about t…

Is Zotero 6 Mac client still supporting WebDAV? Don't find WebDAV option in settings.

Re: Zotero 6

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Post by BostonEnginerd »

account-5 wrote: post #6

I love zotero. Amazing software, indispensable. Want an easy way to integrate with pandoc and Zim-Wiki, I'm sure there's a way but I've not found it yet. Either way this software is massively underrated. EDIT What's with the official iOS app and no Android?

You can use the BetterBibtex plugin to export the references to a bib or json file which can be ingested by Pandoc. There's an option to have it re-export the file every time you make a change to the library.

Citations work pretty well. You can customize the output with different CSL files [1].

[1] https://citationstyles.org/

Re: Zotero 6

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Post by jrochkind1 »

dstillman wrote: post #98
jrochkind1 wrote: post #93

As someone who writes web apps used by academics... I find it really hard to find documentationon on how to make my web site/app work well with zotero! They seem so used to more-or-less adversarial web development, that when we're like "We want to make this work as well as possible with zotero, like I'm going to spend development time doing that, can you give me some clear docs on my options?" -- I have trouble findi…

https://www.zotero.org/support/dev/exposing_metadata (Disclosure: Zotero dev)

thank you! I maybe have seen this doc page before... I'm afraid I don't find it totally clear!

Do you have any advice for the simplest way to do this from these docs, if starting from scratch? Or what most people do? If you were writing a new website yourself, just an ordinary, say, Rails app, that was not based on library formats like MARC... which method would you use to expose to zotero?

COinS is pretty limited and crufty, and doens't allow you fo fully express all the fields that might be in a Zotero citation/CSL, only a few basic ones. UnAPI... most of the formats listed for UnAPI, the list tells you not to use that format unless you have to! It seems to recommend MODS, but MODS is pretty confusing if you don't already have data in it.

Dublin Core is not expressive enough to cover everything in a citation.

I just want to specify every in a zotero citation, you know? Is there a way to provide data in CSL? I don't think so?

`` tags "using the Google/Highwire key-value system" sounds prommising -- but I'm having trouble finding a list of valid keys at the documentation linked to! Those Google docs feel like they're sending me on another goose chase.

I feel like I have a choice of over-simplified (DC) or baroque/archaic/hard-to-use metadata systems (MARC/MODS), and in either case having to kind of guess how it will be mapped to Zotero citation/CSL.

I wish there was a way I could provide the cite in CSL!

Also... I know zotero sometimes can handle a list of citations on a page, but the page you link to has no guidance for that.

If other website devs have no problem providing good metadata to zotero using these docs... I feel like there's some kind of secret code here everyone else knows that I haven't been able to crack!

Re: Zotero 6

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Post by ylyn »

Ar-Curunir wrote: post #131
d110af5ccf wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is completely missing the point of GP. You can't (unless something has changed) sync metadata without using their servers. webdav is for the data, not the metadata. If you don't personally care about privacy, fine, but that's irrelevant here. Replicating the local Zotero folder across devices won't properly sync the metadata in the face of concurrent changes. If I didn't care about privacy and freedom I would ha…

> If I didn't care about privacy and freedom I would have just used a proprietary product to begin with. You are entirely free to use one of the many proprietary products...

The point is that GPC doesn't want to use something proprietary.

Lol.

Re: Zotero 6

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Post by ravel-bar-foo »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #55
jjoonathan wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. What really blows my mind is how many of my academically inclined friends manage (and cloud sync) a big library of pirated papers using a rival piece of software owned by a major rights holder of said pirated papers. I mean... there's a good chance nothing will come of it, but it just seems like tempting fate. Zotero isn't just good enough, it's so good that the choice is completely trivial IMO! Thanks, Zoter…

I've converted all my colleagues to Zotero, even though the University has contracted subscriptions to EndNote et al. Zotero is just better. I wish that the UC System would contract with Zotero for their mutual benefit.

I had to use a trial version of Endnote 9 because a collaborator was using it. It was slow. Adding paper by DOI would freeze the interface for ten or more seconds on a database of less than 100 papers. Meanwhile adding a paper by DOI to my Zotero DB (curently 2000+ papers) is a snap.

Re: Zotero 6

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Post by smcnally »

bluenose69 wrote: post #54

I've been using this in beta for quite a while. The PDF reader is really very good, and I love the fact that my highlights and notes are not added to the actual PDF file. (I don't want to mess up the original PDF file, because I like to keep those files in pristine form so that e.g. I can share them with students.) Some people here are asking about paying for storage for the PDFs. My solution to this is to store my P…

> an iOS app!

And Zotero’s on the `Share Sheet` —- saving to Zotero works from Firefox iOS which doesn’t do plugins. Excellent.

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