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Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)

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Re: Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)

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Post by lmm »

kozd wrote: post #117
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #90

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In Android[0], the "back" button on the bottom is a triangle pointing left. The "home" button is a circle. The "show recent apps" button is a square. All are just flat shapes. Completely unintuitive to anybody that's never used Android before. Contrast that to the early days of Android where the Back button was a curved arrow, the Home button was an icon of a house, and the Menu button was the hamburger menu people a…

Back symbol pointing left is probably less intuitive if your language isn't left to right oriented. Wonder if back symbols or back animations have ever been "localized" to orient based on the language used.

It was a making-a-U-turn-and-going-left arrow, not just a left arrow.

Re: Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)

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Post by dhosek »

not2b wrote: post #156
layer8 wrote: post #150

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I believe it’s because that literally just deletes the application file/directory, there’s no hook for application-specific uninstall routines.

Remember when the way to eject a floppy or other removable disk on a Mac was to drag its icon to the trash? That was weird.

With OS X (maybe even OS 9?) the interaction was changed so that when you dragged a disk to the trash can icon, the icon changed to an eject icon (⏏), but it seems that this has been removed at some point in the last 18 years since when I went to check it, it doesn't happen anymore. On the other hand, the disk icon now has an eject button next to it in at least some Finder views.

Re: Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)

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Post by dhosek »

felix318 wrote: post #106
brimble wrote: post #65

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I spent years thinking they [EDIT: Apple's always-top-of-screen application menus, that is] were dumb for that reason. It never occurred to me that major software vendors would be stupid and/or user-hating enough to ditch the standard top menu, when they have a whole bunch of stuff that should go in it.

I seem to recall Steve Jobs saying the reason the menu is at the top of the screen is that it's easier to hit it with the mouse, you just push it all the way up. I think it's a valid point.

One nice thing about this too is that when you have something like a full-screen video playing, pushing the mouse to the top of the screen will reveal the menu pretty much universally. Trying to get to the application menu in full-screen on Windows is going to vary from one app to the next and has poor discoverability.

Re: Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)

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Post by a9h74j »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #152
ilamont wrote: post #5

When designing medium to large sized menu navigations on the mobile web the default go-to, for some time now, has been hamburger menus. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing Tell it to the many people who have no idea what it means on a mobile device, or increasingly on desktop websites. I've said it many times before, but it's worth repeating: Most people are frustrated by modern information tools. According to a 2015…

I can give you some anecdotal evidence that supports what you're saying. The very large health care company I work for now is currently redesigning their global nav. We've had no less than 10-15 design working sessions. The same thing that continually comes up is the hamburger menu and how to handle it. The reason is the company did some pretty extensive research with seniors (a big chunk of our clientele) and found…

I don't work on accessibility, but is there a way in general for controls to have "alt text" and/or "hover text" or, God forbid, can you put 'menu' in a legible font e.g. right under a hamburger icon or vertical ellipsis? I wonder how such a text label would test in your application -- and it would arguably seem more "discoverable."

Re: Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)

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Post by dhosek »

ziml77 wrote: post #86
layer8 wrote: post #73

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The top menu made sense when computer screens were small and the mouse pointer thus never far away from the top, and applications were fullscreen most of the time anyway.

To me it seems the top menu bar is a holdover from early Mac OS. I saw a demo of one of the early versions of the OS, and it made a ton of sense there. The OS could only run a single application at a time, but that application could have multiple windows. From that perspective it's very sensible that whichever application had full control over the screen would want a menu bar global to its own windows. Now though, it…

Except that in this scenario, the application is still running, it just has no documents open. It's a nice thing to have because you can close all the documents in say Word, do some other work, and then when you need to open Word again, it's there ready to go without having to load again. The Mac seems to do a better job of having apps hanging out in the background than Windows does.

Re: Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)

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Post by DonHopkins »

Respected user interface researcher Jakob Nielsen has determined that Pizza Menus are better than Hamburger Menus, Pie Menus, and Sushi-Belt Menus.

https://www.nngroup.com/articles/hamburger-menu-vs-pizza/

However, Pizza Windows are another alternative to Pizza Menus:

https://medium.com/@donhopkins/the-story-of-sun-microsystems...

Re: Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)

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Post by a9h74j »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #141
at_a_remove wrote: post #30

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Mr. Yuck is green, Mr. Yuck is mean, Mr. Yuck also has the shape of a face absolutely filled with disgust at having put something terrible in his mouth. In short, Mr. Yuck communicates something purely by expression rather than association. The hamburger menu looks like decoration, or a portion of the I Ching. Nothing about three horizontal lines says "I contain options for navigation." Now, were six lines used, with…

In Chrome right now, it's 3 dots aligned vertically. Not much better really.

At least when hovered upon (with a mouse or pointer) that vertical ellipsis shows both a grey disk and the text "Customize and control Google Chrome". Happily, that suggests one could click on it and not directly invoke an unwanted operation.

I don't know the equivalent works for phone or tablet users with no such thing (AFAIK) as hover. To me, that's a problem with such interfaces beyond the hamburger icon.

Re: Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)

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Post by phist_mcgee »

autoexec wrote: post #123

> Zero JavaScript needed As someone who has JS disabled by default I was happy to see this and excited to see what 'sausage links' look like, but when I went to the link I was hit with a giant "CodePen requires JavaScript to render the code and preview areas in this view." Since this person has a website (this isn't a tweet or something) and feels it's "Pretty simple, eh?" to implement such a menu, _and_ already wrot…

What's wrong with having a globally shareable codepen? They run absolutely everywhere, can be updated and versioned, and executed right on the web page? I am not sure what your complaint is beyond "I don't like javascript on most websites".
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