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Re: Doctors who use Google Translate to talk to patients want a better option

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Why are translation services the issue here? Why isn’t the issue: non-English speakers allowed to practice medicine on people without being able to talk to them. I’m seriously fed up with this nonsense. If I’m moving to a country, I’m learning the damned language. Reply to me if you want to talk to someone who endured 5 years of university education delivered incoherently by non-English speakers. I wasted lots of mon…

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Re: Doctors who use Google Translate to talk to patients want a better option

#102

Why are translation services the issue here? Why isn’t the issue: non-English speakers allowed to practice medicine on people without being able to talk to them. I’m seriously fed up with this nonsense. If I’m moving to a country, I’m learning the damned language. Reply to me if you want to talk to someone who endured 5 years of university education delivered incoherently by non-English speakers. I wasted lots of mon…

> Why isn’t the issue: non-English speakers allowed to practice medicine on people without being able to talk to them

... because that's not the scenario the article is about? First sentence:

> The patient had just undergone a cesarean section, and now was struggling to put words to her pain in her native Taiwanese.

Re: Doctors who use Google Translate to talk to patients want a better option

#103

Why are translation services the issue here? Why isn’t the issue: non-English speakers allowed to practice medicine on people without being able to talk to them. I’m seriously fed up with this nonsense. If I’m moving to a country, I’m learning the damned language. Reply to me if you want to talk to someone who endured 5 years of university education delivered incoherently by non-English speakers. I wasted lots of mon…

Isn't the article about patients who don't speak English, not doctors?

Re: Doctors who use Google Translate to talk to patients want a better option

#104

Why are translation services the issue here? Why isn’t the issue: non-English speakers allowed to practice medicine on people without being able to talk to them. I’m seriously fed up with this nonsense. If I’m moving to a country, I’m learning the damned language. Reply to me if you want to talk to someone who endured 5 years of university education delivered incoherently by non-English speakers. I wasted lots of mon…

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Re: Doctors who use Google Translate to talk to patients want a better option

#105

Why are translation services the issue here? Why isn’t the issue: non-English speakers allowed to practice medicine on people without being able to talk to them. I’m seriously fed up with this nonsense. If I’m moving to a country, I’m learning the damned language. Reply to me if you want to talk to someone who endured 5 years of university education delivered incoherently by non-English speakers. I wasted lots of mon…

Only skimmed the article, it seems entirely about non-English speaking patients, not doctors.

Re: Doctors who use Google Translate to talk to patients want a better option

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Yep, absolutely. My doctor of 10+ years recently retired, leaving me in search of a new doc. I've been managing my pain for 15+ years just fine with 10mg Hydrocodone. In 15 years I only once asked to increase the dose, and it was only from two pills per day to three to help me get through the afternoon/evening better. A minuscule dose. After doing "new patient" appointments (which by the way were like $200 to $300 ea…

You can buy oxy on the street. Super expensive. $1/mg.

And 50/50 odds it's actually an unknown dosage of fentanyl.

Re: Doctors who use Google Translate to talk to patients want a better option

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> Hokkien is spoken outside Taiwan (e.g. Fujian). It would be pretty shocking if that wasn't the case, since Hokkien is spelled 福建.

Right, but when people say "Hokkien" in English they generally mean 閩南語 - though I've also heard the term "Southern Min" used.

OK? I don't see why that would make it less shocking for Hokkien not to be spoken in the region that shares its name. It's like saying "they speak English in England, too". Of course they do; that's what "English" means.

Re: Doctors who use Google Translate to talk to patients want a better option

#108

Why is Google translate still so bad? I remember that when it was introduced many years ago it was horribly bad but it's badness was a hope that things will improve quickly. And after so many years and so much data available to google it's still that bad.

A - Is it terrible? In most cases it gives you a rough idea. B - Getting better than rough is probably, like self-driving cars, pretty hard, requiring understanding of what texts actually mean.

Re: Doctors who use Google Translate to talk to patients want a better option

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There has been a better option for a long time, called on-staff Medical Interpreters. In fact, my spouse worked as one for approximately seven years. Unfortunately due to hospitals consolidating into medical networks and cutting costs wherever they could, this went from on-staff interpreters, to contract interpreters, to on-call phone interpreters (works incredibly poorly), to google translate. Blame the beurocrats r…

My SO had to seek medical attention in rural southern France (we were visiting Carcassone) - she initially sought care at the local emerg where there was not a translator available, she speaks high-school french but most of the conversation was carried out through miming and charades. A few days later, as instructed, she followed up with a local clinic where she prepared a written version of her condition and brought…

Really? A lot of our hospitals in Ontario make use of a tablet on a stick that can very quickly connect with a live translator on camera in their language. I am surprised Vancouver would be using Google translate and not an option like this. I've used it and it works fairly decently. Obviously it's still slower than speaking their language, but even having a translator in person still incurs such a delay.

The only real benefit I found to in person is that it's a bit more personal feeling and you don't have as many issues with the patient not hearing what they said on the tablet and vice-versa.

I found the language barriers are not a huge deal with options like this. I've also worked for a 911 call center taking ambulance calls and it's much harder to manage language barriers there as it can be hard to tell someone who speaks none of your language that you're getting a translation service on the line.

Re: Doctors who use Google Translate to talk to patients want a better option

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My SO had to seek medical attention in rural southern France (we were visiting Carcassone) - she initially sought care at the local emerg where there was not a translator available, she speaks high-school french but most of the conversation was carried out through miming and charades. A few days later, as instructed, she followed up with a local clinic where she prepared a written version of her condition and brought…

Really? A lot of our hospitals in Ontario make use of a tablet on a stick that can very quickly connect with a live translator on camera in their language. I am surprised Vancouver would be using Google translate and not an option like this. I've used it and it works fairly decently. Obviously it's still slower than speaking their language, but even having a translator in person still incurs such a delay. The only re…

Oh sorry, I'd clarify - I've never actually needed ESL assistance in a Vancouver hospital so I have no idea what they're equipped with - I was just offering a more local language selection to those of us on the west coast.
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