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Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

teruakohatu wrote: post #68

In New Zealand we are currently experiencing our first wave, by captia our case numbers are insane, and reality is vastly higher than what is being reported because the system now relies on self reporting from RAT tests. In an hour we have as many new cases as we had in total in the first two years of COVID. But life is going on as semi-normal, most people are being reasonably responsible. 96% of the 12 yr+ populatio…

Mainland China's overall vaccination rate is about 90%, but there's a steep fall-off in the highest age groups.

For whatever reason, old people have been much more hesitant about getting vaccinated, and only about 50% of people aged 80+ are vaccinated.

Hopefully, there will be a push to convince the elderly to get vaccinated, and this outbreak might change a lot of minds.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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easytiger wrote: post #173
captainmuon wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there is no case in your region, then strict measures means life as usual. If you have a case, then you and your contacts need to quarantine. Contact tracing is extremely effective for Corona. Also remember that most people don't infect anybody, but few people are very contagious. This is to an extent still true for Omicron. The calculation for China is: inconvenience a small fraction of people, save thousands of…

Getting a common cold is not dangerous to practically anyone. To assert that suppression of a common cold virus is state sanctioned murder is not appropriate. And a people built by a brutal, and frankly evil, regime are not the best arbiters of rational response to totalitariansim.

This "common cold" has already killed over 100k people in the US since New Years Day.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by easytiger »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #312
easytiger wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Getting a common cold is not dangerous to practically anyone. To assert that suppression of a common cold virus is state sanctioned murder is not appropriate. And a people built by a brutal, and frankly evil, regime are not the best arbiters of rational response to totalitariansim.

This "common cold" has already killed over 100k people in the US since New Years Day.

No it hasn't

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

easytiger wrote: post #313
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This "common cold" has already killed over 100k people in the US since New Years Day.

No it hasn't

Anyone can look up the numbers.

Cumulative CoVID-19 deaths in the US:

  * 31 December 2021: 848k
  * 17 March 2022: 997k
That's nearly 150k deaths since New Years.

The Omicron wave this winter was extremely deadly, but people have gotten used to a high level of death and the public messaging in the US has been that Omicron is mild / the pandemic is basically over.

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Post by sundvor »

maxerickson wrote: post #230
cersa8 wrote: post #224

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For almost everyone, vaccinated or not, Omicron is a minor nuisance. Somehow everyone seems to claim they have minor symptoms because they got vaccinated. This is human psychology 101 as it validates your decision for getting vaccinated.

"Almost everyone" always does a lot of work in statements like that. It's bizarre to call out the "decision to get vaccinated", as if it is something people should be uncomfortable with, having spent a bit of time getting a vaccine that is clearly safer than the illness it protects against.

Yeah, a complete no brainer for me to get myself and my family vaccinated.

Of course I can't A-B test my own ability to cope with Covid with zero vaccinations and triple boosted, so the points of the person who replied to me strike me as just silly.

I experienced them with triple shots, and was happy if that might have reduced my exposing time somewhat if applicable. There definitely was a grey area of time between kind of noticing something akin to symptoms, and using one of the precious RAT tests. Most of that time spent using a mask around people, just because default.

I also donate blood, so maybe that's a character trait. Empathy, I mean.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by sundvor »

cersa8 wrote: post #224
sundvor wrote: post #214

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Can confirm triple Pfeizer rendered what I assume was Omicron to something relatively mild for this non drinking, normal BMI near 50s male. Getting Covid still made me feel rather rubbish for a few days. Kudos and my personal thanks to the vaccine developers.

For almost everyone, vaccinated or not, Omicron is a minor nuisance. Somehow everyone seems to claim they have minor symptoms because they got vaccinated. This is human psychology 101 as it validates your decision for getting vaccinated.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/people-are-still-dying-fr...

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by easytiger »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #314
easytiger wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it hasn't

Anyone can look up the numbers. Cumulative CoVID-19 deaths in the US: * 31 December 2021: 848k * 17 March 2022: 997k That's nearly 150k deaths since New Years. The Omicron wave this winter was extremely deadly, but people have gotten used to a high level of death and the public messaging in the US has been that Omicron is mild / the pandemic is basically over.

With or in the proximity of, not of. Numbers are vastly inflated incidental admissions conflation

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by sharken »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #309
orestarod wrote: post #307

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Do you really believe the measures of China lead to 1000 times less infected people than what we see in the rest of the world?

Absolutely. Chinese society has been largely open for the last 2 years, yet hospitals have not been overwhelmed, and hardly anyone even knows anyone who's gotten CoVID-19. The measures that public health authorities in Chinese cities take to squash outbreaks are highly visible. If there's a single known case in a city, the building where the person lives will be locked down, the neighborhood (or even the entire city)…

These measures are extreme even to China, and can only be viewed as a test of how much control the regime can have over its citizens.

The answer to that is that the regime can do anything it wants to, period.

There is no way that China after more than two years, should not have been able to vaccinate those that need the vaccine the most.

Getting COVID is no longer a huge risk and neither is avoiding infections at this point.

No, this is only about control.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

easytiger wrote: post #317
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone can look up the numbers. Cumulative CoVID-19 deaths in the US: * 31 December 2021: 848k * 17 March 2022: 997k That's nearly 150k deaths since New Years. The Omicron wave this winter was extremely deadly, but people have gotten used to a high level of death and the public messaging in the US has been that Omicron is mild / the pandemic is basically over.

With or in the proximity of, not of. Numbers are vastly inflated incidental admissions conflation

No, of, and these numbers are very likely to be underestimates.

Excess mortality studies generally show larger death tolls than recorded CoVID-19 deaths.

US life expectancy has dropped by 2 years because of CoVID-19, which is completely unprecedented in the post-WWII era.

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