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How Good Is Monterey’s Visual Look Up?

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Re: How Good Is Monterey’s Visual Look Up?

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Visual Lookup performs poorly on non-Western historical art such as the Fart Battle Scroll (including non-bowdlerized versions). [0] [1]

Hopefully Visual Lookup's data set will improve with time and usage.

[0] https://archive.wul.waseda.ac.jp/kosho/chi04/chi04_01029/chi...

[1] https://www.tofugu.com/japan/fart-scrolls/

Re: How Good Is Monterey’s Visual Look Up?

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Just for famous paintings, apparently. Surely the article could have showed off more than just that? I guess there was a single mention of a Havanese dog.

Just tried it on my pup, a triumph! https://imgur.com/a/bpkSTuu

Those results are certainly interesting from a geopolitical perspective. It looks like there's an internal mapping of Tibet -> PRC?

Re: How Good Is Monterey’s Visual Look Up?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just tried it on my pup, a triumph! https://imgur.com/a/bpkSTuu

Those results are certainly interesting from a geopolitical perspective. It looks like there's an internal mapping of Tibet -> PRC?

'What have I told you about chewing my shoes and getting embroiled in geopolitics?'

Re: How Good Is Monterey’s Visual Look Up?

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Visual Lookup performs poorly on non-Western historical art such as the Fart Battle Scroll (including non-bowdlerized versions). [0] [1] Hopefully Visual Lookup's data set will improve with time and usage. [0] https://archive.wul.waseda.ac.jp/kosho/chi04/chi04_01029/chi... [1] https://www.tofugu.com/japan/fart-scrolls/

I don't know what I expected to see after clicking on to that article but I can't say I'm disappointed lmao.

Re: How Good Is Monterey’s Visual Look Up?

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Based on the article, I’d expect Apple was retooling their CSAM scanner to try to catch art thieves. Jokes aside, I would like to use this opportunity to express something I really want: I really wish I could search Wayback Machine with perceptual hashes. Google Images has had search by image for a long time, but it seems to get rid of content after a while once it’s offline. Meanwhile, Internet Archive has a ton of…

For as long as it lasts, yandex is my go-to reverse image search favorite, by a rather large margin.

Try searching with a portrait… it is unlikely to find the person, unless there are images of that person in Russian social media. But it will find your identical twin behind the ironic curtain.

Re: How Good Is Monterey’s Visual Look Up?

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> Confusion between the Pissarro and Gallen-Kallela paintings above resulted from a ‘collision’, in which their Neural Hashes are sufficiently similar to result in misidentification, one of the reasons that Apple was dissuaded from using this technique to detect CSAM. So if two literal paintings made centuries ago can cause a hash collision, there's no way this ever should have been considered for matching against fi…

As apple states at the time, any action would require more than one match. For any hash value of a given size, it is trivially easy to calculate the probability of collisions and to adjust required thresholds for any arbitrary rate of false positives.

If the FP rate is 1/1000, requiring three „hits“ makes it 1/1,000,000,000, or essentially zero.

Re: How Good Is Monterey’s Visual Look Up?

#20
I have mixed feelings about this..

It sounds like a useful feature but I don't want to help Apple to train their algorithms which they're still planning to use to snoop on our computers. Their plans are only 'on hold', not cancelled. Which sounds a lot like they're waiting for the upheaval to blow over, or for some other vendor to introduce this so they can point the finger at them and say they're not doing anything unprecedented.

So probably I won't use it, I've already stopped using Apple's built in photo app and most of iCloud anyway. Not that I have anything to hide, I just don't want big tech looking over my shoulder. It was great when Apple was one of the last to take a stand on privacy and I'm sad at the ease with which they threw it out the window.

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