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Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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Why do you automatically assume wanting to ignore politics translates to support of the status quo? I've heard this argument before a lot, and it just seems like a massive assumption. You can't read peoples minds. There are several plausible reasons to ignore and not discuss politics: - You don't want to argue - You don't think it will change anything - You don't want to lose friends and acquaintances - You don't wan…

> Why do you automatically assume wanting to ignore politics translates to support of the status quo?

Because it's true?

> I've heard this argument before a lot, and it just seems like a massive assumption. You can't read peoples minds.

One doesn't need to. Some logical reasoning is sufficient. Also, they often spell it out -- just like you did here:

> There are several plausible reasons to ignore and not discuss politics:

And they (almost) all boil down to "not wanting to rock the boat", i.e. tacitly or explicitly supporting the status quo.

> - You don't want to argue

= You value not arguing over changing something even if it were better to change it.

> - You don't think it will change anything

= You value not bothering over even trying to change what should be changed.

> - You don't want to lose friends and acquaintances

= You value your friends and acquaintances over necessary change even when they are against it

> - You don't want to find out someone you respect is "one of them"

= You covet your acquaintances so much you don't even want to know if they're actually for all that is evil in the world? Wow, that's really small-minded.

> - If the aggregate political beliefs of your industry does not match your own, you don't want to "out" yourself

Finally one that is at least understandable. But, still boils down to turning a blind eye to everyone supporting the (potentially evil) status quo in favour of making a living.

> - You want to change the status quo, but not in the way other people want it changed

= That is a political reason, only the tactical one of probably not getting your particular politics through.

> - Your political beliefs are not strongly held

= Again, valuing the political status quo over the discomfort of advocating your weakly held convictions.

> - You don't feel knowledgeable enough (I wish this was more common and people would share their opinions less when they know close to nothing).

Another at least semi-valid one. One alternative would of course be to educate oneself about one's weakly held convictions, so one could either abandon them if they turn out to have been wrong, or represent them with some conviction if they were right. I mean, what's the use of having any opinions at all if one is apathetic about them?

> I personally don't want to discuss politics much even if people agree with me - it either turns into a weird intellectual circle jerk, or gripe session about how evil the "other" is. Neither of which I really enjoy.

OK, true. Not very applicable to Twitter as a whole, though, AFAICS: it's big enough that there's always some non-apathetic discussion going on about pretty much anything.

> In short there are a lot more reasons to try and avoid politics than there are to seek them out. Being happy with the status quo is one needle in a haystack of other reasons.

Nope, as shown above almost all those reasons boil down to being more OK with the status quo than with trying to change it, which is a political stance in favour of the status quo. It's a tree-sized "needle" in a small-to-medium haystack.

Not saying you personally are an absolute arsehole for this stance; I'm much the same myself (as are, I assume, most of us). Just thought you should at least know that this is actually what you're doing, in stead of deceiving yourself (and, with the comment above, abetting others in deceiving themselves).

Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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I don't argue for political view points because I'm fairly certain I have no power and my opinions and beliefs don't matter. You know, like 99% of us. Maybe yours do matter. Maybe you're a player with NGOs, elected government, media, academia, big business, or civil service. Mine don't though, I'm just another peasant who wants to keep his family safe and healthy. I wish things could be better but I see no viable pat…

You are arguing your political viewpoint here. Because you disagree with mine, and because you want yours to be more common. The power you are exercising is one of influence. If you didn't believe your views mattered, you wouldn't bother to post here.

Why the fuck were @wpietri's perfectly valid comments above[1] flagged and/or downvoted to death? It's not like they were advocating either rabid racism or even rampant-PC anti-racism[2] -- they were just stating the rather inoffensive and uncontroversial[3] opinion that not speaking out on something isn't just "neutral" but actually supporting the status quo.

@dang, please un-deadify those if you can. (Yeah, I know: Don't argue about downvotes, yadda yadda. But also: Don't abuse flagging, right? So sometimes, in order to point out the latter, you have to do the former.)

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[1]: i.e. not this one, but the grandparent and great-great-grandparent (or thereabouts).

[2]: Just to take the most inflammatory examples that came immediately to mind.

[3]: And, at least AFAICS, factually true.

Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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I think your understanding is affected by whatever definition of unsolicited is. Can you share your definition of solicited and unsolicited?

It's basically a synonym for invited. Or from a dictionary: "asked or invited to do, provide, or contribute to something". Unsolicited is the opposite. If you send someone an invite to a discussion, they're invited, whether you meant to or not. At least long enough to send a single reply (which may be multiple tweets). Whether their response is a polite "you tagged the wrong person" or some awful screed does not chan…

I disagree completely. If you got a wedding invite to your address and name but you _knew_ it was intended for a person of the same name and similar address.. would you argue that you had a right to go to the wedding by the fact that you received an invite? Yes, it would be helpful for you to notify the sender that you got it by mistake but it doesn't mean you're invited and your message back to the sender wasn't requested because the whole thing happened by mistake.

Also tagging does not necessarily request a reply at all.

This is silly and will go in circles so I will finish by just saying.. What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? ....

Re: The new silent majority: People who don't tweet

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It's basically a synonym for invited. Or from a dictionary: "asked or invited to do, provide, or contribute to something". Unsolicited is the opposite. If you send someone an invite to a discussion, they're invited, whether you meant to or not. At least long enough to send a single reply (which may be multiple tweets). Whether their response is a polite "you tagged the wrong person" or some awful screed does not chan…

I disagree completely. If you got a wedding invite to your address and name but you _knew_ it was intended for a person of the same name and similar address.. would you argue that you had a right to go to the wedding by the fact that you received an invite? Yes, it would be helpful for you to notify the sender that you got it by mistake but it doesn't mean you're invited and your message back to the sender wasn't req…

I would say that you're not invited to the wedding, but you're definitely invited to a brief conversation.

And that's what twitter is, brief conversations.

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