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Re: Famous Navy UFO video was camera glare, evidence suggests

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Post by rblion » Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 1:09 AM UTC

user3939382 wrote: post #33

jmyeet wrote: post #27

I honestly don’t know what to make of these observations other than I’m utterly convinced they’re not alien, super high tech or break the laws of physics (eg inertia). There was no alien crash in Roswell. I also file believe any government is competent enough for the claimed cover up and associated psyops. What I do find interesting is the overlap between people who buy into various conspiracy theories and people who…

> wishful thinking and the comfort derived from there being a Grand Plan You may not have meant this by your comment, but in general I find a related analysis common among atheists, that religious people believe what they do because it feels good. I find that's often wrong, and when generally applied condescending, as if atheists are simply more emotionally mature. On the contrary many religious people will tell you…

Agree with you 100%.

Albert Einstein was once asked to clarify his faith, here is his reply:

“Your question is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's Pantheism. I admire even more his contributions to modern thought. Spinoza is the greatest of modern philosophers, because he is the first philosopher who deals with the soul and the body as one, not as two separate things.”

I read this often and maintain the attitude that scripture, science, art are all branches of the same Tree.

Re: Famous Navy UFO video was camera glare, evidence suggests

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Post by RobertMiller » Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 1:13 AM UTC

birdyrooster wrote: post #156

adriand wrote: post #131

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We also need to be really honest about what we want this to be, and how that desire influences what we believe about it. I personally want this to be an alien spacecraft, because that's super interesting and exciting. I think the same is true of lots of other people. Unfortunately, there are much more mundane explanations which fit the evidence much better.

Why do you want it to be alien spacecraft? Are you some sort of glutton for punishment?

If we're not dead already, how bad could they be?

Re: Famous Navy UFO video was camera glare, evidence suggests

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Post by astrange » Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 1:13 AM UTC

chrisco255 wrote: post #272

greedo wrote: post #267

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Weapons on their own are dumb, stupid devices. Weapons in a system can be dangerous when deployed appropriately. For ASBM or hypersonic missiles, there are several steps in a successful engagement: 1. Detect the carrier. Sounds easy but they can move at 30+ knots, and can be quite difficult to detect when they want to hide. 2. Provide targeting data. This is needs to be much more accurate than just detecting that a c…

Russia has been rather subdued in the Ukraine invasion, but they have won 95%+ of every military engagement in Ukraine: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_engagements... They have taken nearly the entire Black Sea coastline and most major cities east of the Dnieper River. That entire eastern part of Ukraine will collapse imminently under Russian advances. And meanwhile none of the aforementioned weapons…

> Russia has been rather subdued in the Ukraine invasion, but they have won 95%+ of every military engagement in Ukraine: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_engagements...

You mean 95% of the ones on that list, which was made by an external observer. It's also a military engagement each time one of their vehicles gets exploded by a TB2 drone strike.

Their equipment losses: https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-docum...

Most of these aren't in battle, it's because their equipment breaks on its own because they didn't maintain the tires for years, or runs out of fuel because everyone in the supply chain sold it for food money.

The Wikipedia map is good, but it's also out of date on that page, and the positions haven't moved much since then.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offens...

Re: Famous Navy UFO video was camera glare, evidence suggests

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Post by verytrivial » Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 1:14 AM UTC

I watched that video when it first came out and saw what looked like sun glare in the middle of image and ignored it and kept looking for what was meant to be the UFO. It was even rotating like you see those FLIR videos that keep up-up during fly-overs. I was like -- "That's it? Seriously? Come on!" The rotation looks like ansiotropic surface features on the lense where someone has wiped (perhaps a bit too hard) the surface and left streaks. (Or it's reflections between elements, I don't know.) It's hard to know if the lense is rotating, or the camera itself -- you only see the nett result on the monitor after all the transformations are done.

Exact same thing with the more recent super fast UFOs that are so totally birds locked while the camera orbits against a deep-zoom background. I wonder how many other people have seen these exact features dozens of times, tried to point it out, but it just gets lost in the endless garbage factory that is media these days.

Re: Famous Navy UFO video was camera glare, evidence suggests

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Post by mkr-hn » Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 1:16 AM UTC

tablespoon wrote: post #96

NyxWulf wrote: post #10

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So the claim is...these highly trained pilots and the other sensor systems didn't realize that objects cause IR glare, but this guy did. Case closed.

> So the claim is...these highly trained pilots and the other sensor systems didn't realize that objects cause IR glare, but this guy did. Case closed. And frankly the "this guy" appears to be someone with no expertise and who is strongly biased towards particular investigatory outcomes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_West : > Mick West is a British science writer, skeptical investigator, and retired video game p…

>> "Conspiracy theorists can at least be entertaining sometimes"

Very true. We got some of the best TV in history in the form of the Stargate franchise from goofy '90s conspiracies.

Re: Famous Navy UFO video was camera glare, evidence suggests

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Post by jollybean » Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 1:16 AM UTC

BluSyn wrote: post #271

FYI, Mick West is not an "expert". He has no experience with military hardware. Everyone involved in the incident, or has background knowledge of the classified details, says there are multiple sensors confirming the footage, including direct visual by the pilots. This can not possibly be explained by "lens flair". People say trust the experts. Well, in this case, the experts are the ones who know the military hardwa…

This comment, which doesn't reference any of the very powerful bits evidence, and merely spouts a lot of ad hominem, probably belongs on YouTube.

I see very compelling evidence for an argument, which makes your comment seem even more 'unhinged'.

"he analyses these videos with a baked-in assumption that it's "fake", not from an unbiased view"

The balance of 'unbiased view' of either it's 'aliens or something mundane' is going to almost always land on 'something mundane'.

"I suggest thinking for yourself instead."

This is the statement of the true conspiracy theorist:

"Don't believe the evidence in front of you! 'Think for yourself' and 'Make up your own reality!'"

Re: Famous Navy UFO video was camera glare, evidence suggests

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Post by likeabbas » Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 1:17 AM UTC

willidiots wrote: post #238

likeabbas wrote: post #223

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^This is the key point. These objects have been tracked on radar, FLIR, and multiple pilot witness testimony off both coasts for decades now. Attempting to debunk a single one of these three leaked videos is pointless because they do not show the entire context of the events happening. I implore everyone to watch these two interviews with Christopher Melon, the former Deputy Secretary of Defense for Intelligence. And…

I agree that there's something in these videos - at least in Gimbal. I don't think it's a saucer-shaped thing or necessarily of extraterrestrial origin. It could be a drone (either ours - another branch of DoD/govt - or another nation's) etc. Still an interesting mystery, but no proof of anything extraordinary IMHO. In the case of relying on Christopher Mellon's credentials, I'd point out that he has a commercial int…

>It could be a drone (either ours - another branch of DoD/govt - or another nation's) etc

Pilot Chad Underwood gave private testimony to the senate congressional committee on this gimbal video stating the object did rotate without changing direction or altitude - a feat which is impossible by our current understanding of physics. So assuming the "drone" in gimbal belongs to something of terrestrial origin, either our government his hiding ground breaking physics capabilities or some other country on this planet has - both of which are terrifying.

>In the case of relying on Christopher Mellon's credentials, I'd point out that he has a commercial interest of some kind with To The Stars Academy, the production company which seems to be behind all of these videos' presence on the History channel.

I agree TTSA has sketchy origins, I've looked quite a bit into it. Chris Mellon comes from one of the wealthiest families in America, so I would have to assume that this venture could not have netted him enough money to make it worth while for him to lie to congress about this. He was the major architect to the Gillibrand amendment in last year's NDAA creating the new UAP office, and he and Lue Elizondo been regularly meeting with the Senate Intelligence committee to further pursue this topic. And to go on that, Lue Elizondo (former head of AATIP) made no money from his time at TTSA or the Unidentified TV show. If someone needed money, it would have been him imo.

Re: Famous Navy UFO video was camera glare, evidence suggests

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Post by likeabbas » Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 1:21 AM UTC

hindsightbias wrote: post #250

likeabbas wrote: post #223

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^This is the key point. These objects have been tracked on radar, FLIR, and multiple pilot witness testimony off both coasts for decades now. Attempting to debunk a single one of these three leaked videos is pointless because they do not show the entire context of the events happening. I implore everyone to watch these two interviews with Christopher Melon, the former Deputy Secretary of Defense for Intelligence. And…

“Christopher Mellon served as deputy assistant secretary of defense for intelligence in the Clinton and George W. Bush administrations. He is a private equity investor and an adviser to the To the Stars Academy for Arts and Science” Equity investor. No conflicts there! “in our restricted military airspace” In fact, they’re actually the most heavily instrumented research, development, test and training areas on the pl…

> Let me repeat that: research, development and test. >What an incredible coincidence. Alien trolls or Occam’s razor?

The ODNI specifically stated in the 144 cases of UAP they were not able to identify that exactly none of them were from testing US Special Access Programs technology. This is in the official report http://dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-As...

>“Christopher Mellon served as deputy assistant secretary of defense for intelligence in the Clinton and George W. Bush administrations. He is a private equity investor and an adviser to the To the Stars Academy for Arts and Science” > Equity investor. No conflicts there!

He left TTSA in 2021 and he's still a national security advisor to the Senate Intelligence Committee. He's also from one of the wealthiest families in the world, being a direct line from Carnegie Mellon. Typically when you are born wealthy you are naturally an investor in things you believe in.

Re: Famous Navy UFO video was camera glare, evidence suggests

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Post by likeabbas » Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 1:22 AM UTC

argvargc wrote: post #234

likeabbas wrote: post #223

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^This is the key point. These objects have been tracked on radar, FLIR, and multiple pilot witness testimony off both coasts for decades now. Attempting to debunk a single one of these three leaked videos is pointless because they do not show the entire context of the events happening. I implore everyone to watch these two interviews with Christopher Melon, the former Deputy Secretary of Defense for Intelligence. And…

Why should a peaceful demonstration of technical superiority terrify anyone? It's clear whomever, or whatever, possesses this superior technology could fly circles around and/or obliterate us on a whim, but has expressly decided not to, and instead simply announced: "Hey, I have this." If they/it perceived us as a threat, we'd surely be gone already. That leaves only our hopefully sane response, to influence what hap…

If you look into Lue Elizondo's, former head of AATIP, comments on this, you will come to find that he believes these things are testing are doing reconnaissance to test our military capabilities - which is scary to me.

The technology they are displaying is awesome, but it is something we should be very wary of.

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Post by earthboundkid » Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 1:23 AM UTC

discardedrefuse wrote: post #270

JaimeThompson wrote: post #217

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Given how horribly interactions between more technologically advanced and lesser technologically advanced societies seem to harm the lesser ones I'm not sure it would turn out well for humanity.

A civilization capable of interstellar space travel has probably overcome "The Great Filter". I like to think there's a decent chance they're enlightened; instead of conquerors. But even if they are here to conquer, we may be better off for it. I mean, it doesn't really look like humanity is going to make it past the filter on their own.

Any civilization sophisticated enough to make a boat that can cross the Atlantic Ocean has got to have its stuff together or else they would have just mutinied on the journey over, right?