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Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by throwaway290 »

tuukkah wrote: post #90
older wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The word refugee has legal meaning. You cannot be called refugee unless your country is deemed unsafe and you risk your life being in that country. Thus Russians are not refugees but economic migrants.

However, you can get a political asylum if you have a history of opposing Putin and you are not safe in Russia because of that anymore.

No one who called for the government to end the war on social media or IRL is safe. It is black letter of law that it is punishable by imprisonment.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by nicbou »

There are many similar resources in Germany.

In my opinion, a lot of people are patting themselves on the back for doing the same thing as before at no additional cost to them. Hiring Ukrainian refugees in Germany is no harder than hiring any other immigrant. In fact it's slightly easier.

But recruiters and job boards still take their commission, whether or not they drape their website in blue and yellow.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by blub »

galfarragem wrote: post #78
Etheryte wrote: post #26

There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…

> We're helping our neighbour. Cynical view here: We're helping ourselves. We all know how difficult is to find good devs (edited: with subpar compensation) nowadays. The same applies on different fields also. As an anecdote, Portuguese government is _actively_ asking Ukrainian refugees to come to Portugal and sending them directly to areas known for chronic worker shortage. Ukrainians, typically, are not social secu…

Maybe in this particular case of the job board, since SW developers have an easier time finding jobs and can in principle work in English.

But for everyone else I bet that the EU will fail to integrate them into the labour market, while still having to offer healthcare, accommodation and other kinds of support, financial or otherwise.

There is no way that this is a win for the EU, otherwise they would have done something similar years ago.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by gruez »

rich_sasha wrote: post #96
Etheryte wrote: post #26

There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…

It seems unconditional compassion is not natural to human societies of 21st century. Not in Europe, not in North America, not in Russia, not in South-East Asia. I guess we should appreciate any compassion that our societies are moved to. And work on expanding that. Riffing on a biblical quote, who is my neighbour? To a medieval peasant, someone from their villate. To a 19th century citizen, people of their country (m…

>unconditional compassion

The argument from the other side is that the compassion isn't unconditional, because if they were Syrian or whatever they wouldn't have garnered the same compassion.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

#105

Post by older »

throwaway290 wrote: post #101
tuukkah wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

However, you can get a political asylum if you have a history of opposing Putin and you are not safe in Russia because of that anymore.

No one who called for the government to end the war on social media or IRL is safe. It is black letter of law that it is punishable by imprisonment.

Do you have any examples of someone being imprisoned for this? Or you're just making assumptions? So far all I see is that everyone detained for participation in anti-war protests in Russia were released after questioning and being issued warning.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by eldaisfish »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #49
Etheryte wrote: post #26

There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…

No, this looks at Europeans with Rose tinted glasses. I think there is innate tribalism in all of us. We can all rationally fight it and we rationally know what is morally the right thing to do. But it is in our core psychology to look for similarities/differences and identify as close/distance to other people. The Ukrainian government has also made an amazing job at galvanizing EU social media around this. The messa…

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Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by older »

s_dev wrote: post #97
older wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The word refugee has legal meaning. You cannot be called refugee unless your country is deemed unsafe and you risk your life being in that country. Thus Russians are not refugees but economic migrants.

They would be technically Asylum Seekers but you're wrong that Russia is safe. Plenty of LGBT people or anti-war activists will be granted refuge for instance by European governments.

Any examples when this actually happened?

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by goldfeld »

Etheryte wrote: post #16

This is a great idea and a good way to help people hit the ground running. One small nit pick, when I have adblock on, the page shows "0 available tech jobs", and your target audience are people who are more likely than average to use adblock.

I'm sorry to go off on a tangent, but the modern americanisms and other figuratives of english perpetually amuse me. First because people get so used to internet-powered mannerisms that even professional writers feel compelled to use contorted turns of phrase even when it would be easier to just employ an old (tired?) verb, adverb or something. The poor verbs suffer from ageism too and are going jobless! Honestly I feel a cheapening of english language but possibly just me.

In this case I should think "war refugee" with "hit the ground running" is a bit of unfortunate phrasing, nothing personal :)

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by finnjohnsen2 »

throwaway290 wrote: post #68

Is there a similar board open to Russian refugees? Asking seriously, for myself and some friends. I wouldn't mind if priority is given to war refugees from Ukraine, of course. Edit: refugee (n.) - a person who has been forced to leave their country to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.

Unless you are a refugee, you can check this:

https://www.udi.no/en/want-to-apply/work-immigration/russian...

I work as a dev consultant in Oslo and I've crossed a handful of russian devs over the last few years. So it is possible for sure - in normal times atleast.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by older »

vintermann wrote: post #76
older wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Try buying kvass in Norway! Easy. I've bought it in Kiwi in Hemsedal (Ulsåk) several times, for example. All Eco Market shops in Oslo as well (run by Ukrainians/Poles btw).

You definitively can't get kvass on your average Kiwi. I can't even get it my local Spar or Mega. But there are always odd exceptions (my local Mega pushes mochi heavily for some weird reason). Immigrant shops are your best bet, it's true.

My local Spar has "east european foods" shelf. There's no kvas, but a lot of other good stuff though.
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