Fascinating to me that the one thing the Senate unanimously agrees on, HackerNews finds it incredibly controversial and discusses it for 2000+ comments.
US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#952I'm surprised at the number of commenters who think permanent DST is favourable to night owls and bad for morning people. I think it's night owls and delayed-cycle teenagers attending school who will suffer most under permanent DST. In the Winter, permanent DST means everyone has to get up an hour earlier for work or school's clock time, relative to the sun which regulates their body rhythm. Someone pointed out virtu…
I mean, as a true night owl, my real problem isn't happening when I wake up: it is that when I go to bed in the morning it is extremely bad for me if dawn has already happened, so I would prefer the sun stay down for as long as possible to give me more leeway.
Don't you have shades/curtains to make your room dark even when the sun is out?
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#953The biggest surprise here for me was that this happened unanimously - does anyone know why or how? Maybe I should be glad that such clear-cut, science-based decisions are still possible, but it's become just so unusual lately...
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#954Why don't we leave the clocks aligned with the Sun, so noon occurs at solar noon, and just have everybody agree to shift their work day to 7:00 to 4:00.
Because on a solar basis, that is exactly what you are doing. "8 to 5" will now be "7 to 4". And people that normally work "7 to 4" will now be working "6 to 3"
That is all you are doing. You are basically just kidding yourselves. It is so extremely stupid, really. You want more sun in your evening? Get up and get to work earlier. It isn't rocket science.
I'll be waiting two years out for everyone pushing the school day to start at 10:AM, and for a lot of businesses to start at 9:AM instead of 8.
You could solve all these problems by just getting the Networks to stream their programming one hour earlier at night. And leave the clocks on standard time year round.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#955Why don't we leave the clocks aligned with the Sun, so noon occurs at solar noon, and just have everybody agree to shift their work day to 7:00 to 4:00. Because on a solar basis, that is exactly what you are doing. "8 to 5" will now be "7 to 4". And people that normally work "7 to 4" will now be working "6 to 3" That is all you are doing. You are basically just kidding yourselves. It is so extremely stupid, really. Y…
which one is easier: Doing what we do every year, and just not changing it back, or getting everyone to agree to changing their schedules independently?
You are right, they are the same thing, but one is unilateral, routine, and easy, and the other is never going to happen.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#956Why don't we leave the clocks aligned with the Sun, so noon occurs at solar noon, and just have everybody agree to shift their work day to 7:00 to 4:00. Because on a solar basis, that is exactly what you are doing. "8 to 5" will now be "7 to 4". And people that normally work "7 to 4" will now be working "6 to 3" That is all you are doing. You are basically just kidding yourselves. It is so extremely stupid, really. Y…
This requires essentially every business, person, and entity in existence to change hours all at the same time at least twice a year. It is far easier to just change the clock and know that a store closes at 8 than having to remember it closes at 7 starting this week. I get this is an age old retort, but it's because the common proposals always ignore reality.
-changing schedules is still a change.
-changing a single time is easier than changing infinite schedules.
-the change is going to suck either way because it's a change.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#957Why don't we leave the clocks aligned with the Sun, so noon occurs at solar noon, and just have everybody agree to shift their work day to 7:00 to 4:00. Because on a solar basis, that is exactly what you are doing. "8 to 5" will now be "7 to 4". And people that normally work "7 to 4" will now be working "6 to 3" That is all you are doing. You are basically just kidding yourselves. It is so extremely stupid, really. Y…
It is advantageous to have relatively few timezones rather than everyone using hyperlocal time. If you accept that then consider that most timezones are biased towards the point where noon is at 1200 being in the east of the region, leaving the western side with their daylight hours particularly biased towards the early morning. In some sense an adjustment to +1 merely moves the bias so that most of the region has physical noon after 1200 instead of before it, and this tends to strike a better balance because early in the morning is not considered a particularly sociable hour.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#958I'm surprised at the number of commenters who think permanent DST is favourable to night owls and bad for morning people. I think it's night owls and delayed-cycle teenagers attending school who will suffer most under permanent DST. In the Winter, permanent DST means everyone has to get up an hour earlier for work or school's clock time, relative to the sun which regulates their body rhythm. Someone pointed out virtu…
What if you sleep with blindfolds on already? I’ve been messing with my body this whole time?
I have lived my whole adult life with black out shades and curtains. I grew up very rural and was used to a pitch black bedroom. As an adult I moved to the most densely populated state in the country, and immediately discovered black out shades.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#959Why don't we leave the clocks aligned with the Sun, so noon occurs at solar noon, and just have everybody agree to shift their work day to 7:00 to 4:00. Because on a solar basis, that is exactly what you are doing. "8 to 5" will now be "7 to 4". And people that normally work "7 to 4" will now be working "6 to 3" That is all you are doing. You are basically just kidding yourselves. It is so extremely stupid, really. Y…
This requires essentially every business, person, and entity in existence to change hours all at the same time at least twice a year. It is far easier to just change the clock and know that a store closes at 8 than having to remember it closes at 7 starting this week. I get this is an age old retort, but it's because the common proposals always ignore reality. -changing schedules is still a change. -changing a single…
Oh no, permanently change to the early times. No more switching. Everyone works 7AM to 4PM.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#960Fascinating to me that the one thing the Senate unanimously agrees on, HackerNews finds it incredibly controversial and discusses it for 2000+ comments.
There has been a "daylight savings is the worst thing since Hitler" type post every time change for as long as I can remember, it's the ultimate bike shedding topic. It actually has a lot of parallels to most covid posts, there are a lot of competing benefits and many are angry their preference isn't given the most weight.