Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

twitter.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

891–900 of 1001 posts

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#891

Post by rocqua »

bhauer wrote: post #621
stormbrew wrote: post #506

I'd kill for a peek into the parallel universe where it was permanent standard time that was likely to get adopted and see how much effort went into researching the ill effects of that choice to convince people with enough FUD to keep daylight time switching going. Here's the thing: If you're a proponent of permanent standard time, you should be in favour of turning off the switching no matter what. Even if it means…

I am in favor of permanent standard time, but failing that, I am super happy with permanent daylight-saving time. Far more important to me is ridding ourselves of the twice-annual insanity of changing clocks. I'd be okay with adopting UTC if that meant our clocks never changed again.

Note that with UTC in e.g. Australia you either get the date changing at noon, or dates get out of whack.

In the US it would be less weird, but still weird.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#892

Post by jjallen »

bhauer wrote: post #621
stormbrew wrote: post #506

I'd kill for a peek into the parallel universe where it was permanent standard time that was likely to get adopted and see how much effort went into researching the ill effects of that choice to convince people with enough FUD to keep daylight time switching going. Here's the thing: If you're a proponent of permanent standard time, you should be in favour of turning off the switching no matter what. Even if it means…

I am in favor of permanent standard time, but failing that, I am super happy with permanent daylight-saving time. Far more important to me is ridding ourselves of the twice-annual insanity of changing clocks. I'd be okay with adopting UTC if that meant our clocks never changed again.

Changing the time twice a year has never been a big issue for me. Even with a toddler with a sensitive sleeping schedule.

It changes on a Saturday night. It's almost not noticeable. One day a year you get one less hour; another day you get one more.

I mean if changing the times one hour is so bad, what about flying across 3 or more time zones?

While I know that jet lag _does suck_, if changing the time one hour at the least impactful time of week is so insane, it must make traveling very difficult for some people.

I'm not even campaigning for stopping or DST or ST (I frankly haven't thought about this problem that much because it just hasn't mattered much to me), I'm just surprised it is considered "insane" or a huge deal to many people.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#895

Post by njsubedi »

t43562 wrote: post #894

I don't really understand why everyone seems to think that it's necessary to go to work at the same "time" each day. Why not let "time" stay the same all year but go to work at a different time in winter?

Because a lot of systems depend on the "time". As a simple example, the software that the workers use to "sign in" and "sign out" for the day depends on it, and needs bi-yearly updates. A lot of automated systems like ATM machines, telephone plans, etc. depend on the "time", and they require less maintenance if the time doesn't need to change twice a year.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#896

Post by patrickaljord »

t43562 wrote: post #894

I don't really understand why everyone seems to think that it's necessary to go to work at the same "time" each day. Why not let "time" stay the same all year but go to work at a different time in winter?

Yes, that would make more sense.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#897

Post by [deleted] »

svnpenn wrote: post #870
jlokier wrote: post #794

I'm surprised at the number of commenters who think permanent DST is favourable to night owls and bad for morning people. I think it's night owls and delayed-cycle teenagers attending school who will suffer most under permanent DST. In the Winter, permanent DST means everyone has to get up an hour earlier for work or school's clock time, relative to the sun which regulates their body rhythm. Someone pointed out virtu…

I don't like it when the sun comes up early. Unless you have really dark curtains, then you don't get to choose when to wake up. You wake up when the sun comes up. So if you stayed up late, fuck you, here's some bright sun at 6am. Oh, and you're coming home for the day at 5 or 6p? Fuck you, here's some darkness. I can't understand how anyone would be against DST.

[deleted]

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#898

Post by bigmadshoe »

codazoda wrote: post #742
stormbrew wrote: post #506

I'd kill for a peek into the parallel universe where it was permanent standard time that was likely to get adopted and see how much effort went into researching the ill effects of that choice to convince people with enough FUD to keep daylight time switching going. Here's the thing: If you're a proponent of permanent standard time, you should be in favour of turning off the switching no matter what. Even if it means…

Interesting note, many states already use standard time, such as AZ. But, it is against Federal law, for some reason, to use daylight time. Utah, California, and a few others have already voted to switch to permanent daylight time as soon as the federal government allows it. The states that have this law waiting for the fed asked it to be reviewed. I wonder if daylight time will be the new standard but your state can…

Weed is legal in CA for anyone 21+, no medical card needed.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#900

Post by plq »

stormbrew wrote: post #506

I'd kill for a peek into the parallel universe where it was permanent standard time that was likely to get adopted and see how much effort went into researching the ill effects of that choice to convince people with enough FUD to keep daylight time switching going. Here's the thing: If you're a proponent of permanent standard time, you should be in favour of turning off the switching no matter what. Even if it means…

Well, Turkey has moved from UTC+2 plus DST in summer to UTC+3 permanently.

People seem to hate it. Here's a news report lamenting the decision:

https://www-cumhuriyet-com-tr.translate.goog/turkiye/kalici-...

Personally, I'm happy that we get more sunlight after work hours but people who need to get up early (especially children who get up early to go to school) reportedly are frustrated with it.

I'm trying to find a pro-permanent-DST article but not having much success with it.

Here's a more balanced take on the issue with psychologists chiming in:

https://tr-sputniknews-com.translate.goog/20211123/kalici-ya...

Here's a non-newspaper source (don't miss the references bit in the end if you're interesed):

https://bilimveaydinlanma-org.translate.goog/kalici-yaz-saat...

It objectively seems like a bad idea, It appears Turkey should move back to UTC+2 and stay there. Permanent DST has many downsides.

Post reply on HN