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San Francisco VC firm required job applicants to take online IQ test

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Re: San Francisco VC firm required job applicants to take online IQ test

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IQ tests aren't illegal by themselves, but it's up to the employer to show that IQ is an important part of the job. E.g, leetcode tests in FAANG interviews are defacto IQ tests since interviewers are told to evaluate the candidate for "general cognitive ability" when asking leetcode questions, but they are still used for FAANG interviews because the companies realized that they correlate to job performance. I don't k…

Intelligence is relevant by default. Burden of proof should be on the party claiming that it isn't.

Re: San Francisco VC firm required job applicants to take online IQ test

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"...a 1971 Supreme Court ruling that decreed IQ tests and other tests unrelated to the job to violate the Civil Rights Act of 1964..." Plenty of programming screens and interviews involve all sorts of brain puzzlers that are never used in actual programming. Does that mean they are racist too?? An IQ test would be inappropriate for an occupation that does not involve heavy analytical skills, but if that VC firm posti…

> is discrimination against individuals who can do well on IQ tests.

Presumably, those people could prove their worth through other methods, ideally one closely related to job at hand. If they can't do that, then maybe the IQ test was a bad proxy.

> Does that mean they are racist too??

Also probably yes, but I don't want to argue that.

Re: San Francisco VC firm required job applicants to take online IQ test

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I see nothing wrong with employers IQ-testing their future employees. What bothers me is the "online" part.

Even if you manage to find an online IQ test which is not a scam focused on getting your phone number and other data, the quality is lacking.

Re: San Francisco VC firm required job applicants to take online IQ test

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I wonder how many occupations could be captured in a realistic simulator.

If you capture the strategic parts gamers will figure out new ways to solve the puzzles.

A stupid idea I just had that doesn't fit the criteria at all: A turn based multiplayer game where you write one line of code at a time and vote on the previous line. The 1 point task: The worse player gets 1 point, the next 2, if there are 6 players the nr 1 gets 6 points. If you quit and the program doesn't work the worse player gets -6, next -5 etc Comments are allowed but nothing can be removed.

Re: San Francisco VC firm required job applicants to take online IQ test

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I see nothing wrong with employers IQ-testing their future employees. What bothers me is the "online" part. Even if you manage to find an online IQ test which is not a scam focused on getting your phone number and other data, the quality is lacking.

Given all the recent proxy-interviewing scandals, one does question the intelligence of relying on an online test (assuming the website doesn't visually monitor test-takers).

Re: San Francisco VC firm required job applicants to take online IQ test

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In my country (I'm within EU) IQ test and talking with psychologist during hiring process is quite regular thing. I've even had on line IQ test when I was applying for job in pharmaceutical company, and when I was applying for contract position overseas...

Re: San Francisco VC firm required job applicants to take online IQ test

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From the 1971 Supreme Court ruling:

"We granted the writ in this case to resolve the question whether an employer is prohibited by the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Title VII, from requiring a high school education or passing of a standardized general intelligence test as a condition of employment in or transfer to jobs when

(a) neither standard is shown to be significantly related to successful job performance,

(b) both requirements operate to disqualify Negroes at a substantially higher rate than white applicants, and

(c) the jobs in question formerly had been filled only by white employees as part of a longstanding practice of giving preference to whites."

The article says that the IQ tests required by this VC firm are illegal, on account of this ruling.

But we cannot know that, as we don't know the facts of this particular situation. IANAL, but my reading of the opinion is that, for this case to apply, the following three conditions must hold:

1. The firm can't show IQ test scores are significantly correlated with job performance, and

2. The firm is rejecting candidates from one or more protected groups at a higher rate than the overall applicant pool, and

3. The firm must have been disproportionately hiring from a majority group.

Have I misinterpreted the ruling?

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