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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by 8ytecoder »

bruce511 wrote: post #877
jlokier wrote: post #794

I'm surprised at the number of commenters who think permanent DST is favourable to night owls and bad for morning people. I think it's night owls and delayed-cycle teenagers attending school who will suffer most under permanent DST. In the Winter, permanent DST means everyone has to get up an hour earlier for work or school's clock time, relative to the sun which regulates their body rhythm. Someone pointed out virtu…

Not to go off topic, but everyone seems to just ignore everyone not working 9-5. I mean if you work night-shift, morning shift, evening shift, you already have weird circadian rhythms, and out-of-sync school schedules. And yet, somehow, they seem to function as humans. So maybe that 1 hour difference for 4 months a year won't actually result in the zombie apocalypse. People will adapt just fine.

Oh jeez! Have you ever spoken to anyone whose shifts change every week?

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by numeri »

bruce511 wrote: post #877
jlokier wrote: post #794

I'm surprised at the number of commenters who think permanent DST is favourable to night owls and bad for morning people. I think it's night owls and delayed-cycle teenagers attending school who will suffer most under permanent DST. In the Winter, permanent DST means everyone has to get up an hour earlier for work or school's clock time, relative to the sun which regulates their body rhythm. Someone pointed out virtu…

Not to go off topic, but everyone seems to just ignore everyone not working 9-5. I mean if you work night-shift, morning shift, evening shift, you already have weird circadian rhythms, and out-of-sync school schedules. And yet, somehow, they seem to function as humans. So maybe that 1 hour difference for 4 months a year won't actually result in the zombie apocalypse. People will adapt just fine.

There is so, so much research showing that night-shift and living out of sync with one's circadian rhythm literally shortens your life. It weakens your immune system, increases your chance of cardiovascular issues, gives you gastrointestinal issues, etc.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by astrange »

kurthr wrote: post #783
capital_guy wrote: post #679

I am extremely surprised at all the people who are against this, saying that "Making DST permanent forces people to wake up earlier." I am not sure I know a single person whose morning wake-up time is dictated by the rise of the sun. Everyone I know wakes up whatever time that their work tells them to. I am happy to have more sun after I get out of work. It was a breath of fresh air this week getting out of work and…

I am against it, because there will no longer be a time during which you do something and still viably claim to have never done it. I have never eaten a Tommy's burger with chili-fries (except between the minutes of 1:00 and 1:59 during fall back). I can account for 24 hours of every day (except spring forward) of every year. Ok, I'm actually for it.

You can still get born on Feb 29th to age slower.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by mazlix »

I guess I'll be "that guy" and say even though it's a disruption I feel a bit sad for the loss of the switch between standard and daylight time.

Yeah it's annoying, but I never found it devastatingly so and it's almost like an extra 2 holidays, I would occasionally get an extra hour once a year (and also lose an hour). I feel a bit sad knowing my child won't get that feeling of dread having to go to school one hour earlier and that boost of going to school one hour later. It feels like the world is become more practical in so many ways, but with it we lose some flavor.

I also love seasons and dislike places that are the climate year round for the same reason - it's a little extra something that breaks up the monotony. At least every time-shift you know that half a year has passed. I really imagine a lot of people will become very nostalgic to having to change clocks throughout the house and then eventually it'll die off and become a completely forgotten relic of the past.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by kirse »

jlokier wrote: post #794

I'm surprised at the number of commenters who think permanent DST is favourable to night owls and bad for morning people. I think it's night owls and delayed-cycle teenagers attending school who will suffer most under permanent DST. In the Winter, permanent DST means everyone has to get up an hour earlier for work or school's clock time, relative to the sun which regulates their body rhythm. Someone pointed out virtu…

But the sun does affect how well and how long they sleep

Yes, the sun coming up an hour later means less light peeking into the room and more sleep cycle time. Big collective win for night owls.

As it's a struggle already, getting up an hour earlier is going to be harder for them

Times are changing, literally. Nice thing about all this remote work is you can be a night owl on the East Coast while everyone else is a morning lark on the West Coast. For me waking up is never an issue, I just get moving. But the night owl schedule is where everything naturally settles.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by andredz »

I'm surprised at how positive the response to this has been.

Whenever I've tried to reason through why we change our clocks twice a year I've found that it makes sense to do so (at least in my case).

Also, I've quite enjoyed experiencing the switches throughout my life. They've provided for a mildly entertaining small talk topic, an opportunity to fix my circadian cycles and some measure of excitement when getting to sleep for an extra hour.

That said, I recognize (now that I've seen this HN thread) that a LOT of people disliked the status quo of having to switch.

I just hope that my country won't follow the US in this, but I'm afraid we will.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by Winsaucerer »

andredz wrote: post #886

I'm surprised at how positive the response to this has been. Whenever I've tried to reason through why we change our clocks twice a year I've found that it makes sense to do so (at least in my case). Also, I've quite enjoyed experiencing the switches throughout my life. They've provided for a mildly entertaining small talk topic, an opportunity to fix my circadian cycles and some measure of excitement when getting to…

If your country is Australia, then I hope it does follow :)

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Post by cik2e »

codazoda wrote: post #742
stormbrew wrote: post #506

I'd kill for a peek into the parallel universe where it was permanent standard time that was likely to get adopted and see how much effort went into researching the ill effects of that choice to convince people with enough FUD to keep daylight time switching going. Here's the thing: If you're a proponent of permanent standard time, you should be in favour of turning off the switching no matter what. Even if it means…

Interesting note, many states already use standard time, such as AZ. But, it is against Federal law, for some reason, to use daylight time. Utah, California, and a few others have already voted to switch to permanent daylight time as soon as the federal government allows it. The states that have this law waiting for the fed asked it to be reviewed. I wonder if daylight time will be the new standard but your state can…

Just a wild guess, but it may have something to do with the federal government having the sole power to regulate interstate commerce. Which makes me wonder if weed sold in a state has to be grown in that state.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by 1_player »

watwut wrote: post #663
hinkley wrote: post #214

I think I can say this on behalf of most developers who have ever had to fix DST errors in their code: Thank fucking god. I am shocked that none of our unit tests failed on Monday. One of the first code reviews I did here I pointed out that his tests were going to break in a few months when DST kicked in because his tests asserted that there was a 24 hour gap between two calculations. He responded this code was tempo…

It just became more complicated.

It just became exactly the same, we'll still be relying on the tzdata library and date time functions we're using now.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by captainmuon »

standardUser wrote: post #541
captainmuon wrote: post #450

This is ridiculous. Why don't they make the regular time permanent? And if people want to have more light in the evening, then they just leave work earlier. Surely that is easier than permanent daylight savings time. I know people will say it's too hard to change habits and (clock) work hours, but with permanent DST you will have to change that anyway, when people realize how dark winter mornings will be. I predict a…

"...then they just leave work earlier." I don't like when people accuse others of living in a "bubble", but this is a particularly egregious example of being deeply out of touch with the lives of most working people.

No, I am aware of the lives of other working people, and I have worked jobs with fixed shifts before.

But I also have seen over the last 20 years that flexible time has moved from an exotic perk to a standard contract term in my country, at least for white-collar workers. And we have mandatory works councils, where workers can have a say in certain decisions, for example shift hours. (In the US the equivalent is roughly when a company has a union.)

So it is not being out of touch, it is a political demand. I am just saying what's possible.

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