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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by perfopt »

bhauer wrote: post #621
stormbrew wrote: post #506

I'd kill for a peek into the parallel universe where it was permanent standard time that was likely to get adopted and see how much effort went into researching the ill effects of that choice to convince people with enough FUD to keep daylight time switching going. Here's the thing: If you're a proponent of permanent standard time, you should be in favour of turning off the switching no matter what. Even if it means…

I am in favor of permanent standard time, but failing that, I am super happy with permanent daylight-saving time. Far more important to me is ridding ourselves of the twice-annual insanity of changing clocks. I'd be okay with adopting UTC if that meant our clocks never changed again.

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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by hahajk »

treve wrote: post #605
hinkley wrote: post #214

I think I can say this on behalf of most developers who have ever had to fix DST errors in their code: Thank fucking god. I am shocked that none of our unit tests failed on Monday. One of the first code reviews I did here I pointed out that his tests were going to break in a few months when DST kicked in because his tests asserted that there was a 24 hour gap between two calculations. He responded this code was tempo…

> I think I can say this on behalf of most developers who have ever had to fix DST errors in their code: Thank fucking god. I think it just means for all American developers it's _more_ likely they'll introduce bugs if they cater to an international audience and there's still countries with DST. DST has always been a good way to get Devs to think about the timezone database. If people start relying on offsets more th…

I was on on a US Navy ship, and the main display clock in combat control had two times - Zulu and a local time adjustable by an hour offset. This was obviously terrible... when we docked off India we had no way to set the correct time!

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by cjohnson318 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #834
cjohnson318 wrote: post #832

DST is inconvenient, but in the grand scheme of things like critical infrastructure spending, gerrymandering, voter suppression, congressional insider trading, congressional term limits, sensible gun control, regulating the insurance industry, among other things, voting on daylight savings time is an extreme example of bike-shedding.

We've been eagerly waiting for this vote for 8 years. Out of all the hard problems to solve, an up or down vote on letting states adopt full year DST should have been a no brainer.

Term limits are a no brainer, and a less complex issue than the legislation of time itself.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by throwaway984393 »

Am I the only person who's only mildly bothered by daylight savings? Like, it's very slightly annoying every once in a while. But I adapt and move on.

You'd think the Senate could vote for something else that's trivial, like giving every child that needs one a lunch. It's not like millions of kids in the US go hungry every summer when they lose a free school lunch. Oh no, wait, they do actually. https://www.businessinsider.com/free-school-lunch-kids-summe...

Richest nation in the world. 22 million children depend on state assistance to eat, because their family doesn't make enough to buy enough food. Something seems wrong with this picture.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by taneq »

stormbrew wrote: post #506

I'd kill for a peek into the parallel universe where it was permanent standard time that was likely to get adopted and see how much effort went into researching the ill effects of that choice to convince people with enough FUD to keep daylight time switching going. Here's the thing: If you're a proponent of permanent standard time, you should be in favour of turning off the switching no matter what. Even if it means…

> If permanent DST really results in the entire country turning into sleep deprived zombies having spontaneous heart attacks as they arrive at work and crashing into children going to school, then there'll be pressure to change it -- but we will have at least already started the process of eliminating the worse thing: changing twice a year.

What I don't get is why it's so hard for people to just say "ugh, 5pm is already dark so we should start an hour earlier and go home at 4pm" or whatever.

I bet it's those smug morning peoples' fault.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by mattcwilson »

cwp wrote: post #740
capital_guy wrote: post #679

I am extremely surprised at all the people who are against this, saying that "Making DST permanent forces people to wake up earlier." I am not sure I know a single person whose morning wake-up time is dictated by the rise of the sun. Everyone I know wakes up whatever time that their work tells them to. I am happy to have more sun after I get out of work. It was a breath of fresh air this week getting out of work and…

Count me as one of those against it. I'm all for not changing our clocks anymore, but DST is stupid. If you want to get up earlier and have more daylight in the evening, great, do that. If you want to get up later so it's not dark when you leave in the morning, sure, makes sense. And if you want to change your schedule as the year progresses to adapt to the seasons, I'm with you. The real problem is that we have this…

Oh man - this was my position as well for a long time.

And then I realized that you can’t even count on “high noon” meaning much at all, DST or not, because using solar noon is basically the same thing as having arbitrarily many timezones for each unique longitudinal point on Earth.

Now I’m tempted to go full UTC and to hell with all of it

https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2019/01/01/this...

https://earthscience.stackexchange.com/questions/6920/why-do...

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by ryanmcbride »

stormbrew wrote: post #506

I'd kill for a peek into the parallel universe where it was permanent standard time that was likely to get adopted and see how much effort went into researching the ill effects of that choice to convince people with enough FUD to keep daylight time switching going. Here's the thing: If you're a proponent of permanent standard time, you should be in favour of turning off the switching no matter what. Even if it means…

I would have preferred no DST instead of permanent DST but I honestly just want the time switch to go away so I'll take it.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by ilovesunlight »

stormbrew wrote: post #506

I'd kill for a peek into the parallel universe where it was permanent standard time that was likely to get adopted and see how much effort went into researching the ill effects of that choice to convince people with enough FUD to keep daylight time switching going. Here's the thing: If you're a proponent of permanent standard time, you should be in favour of turning off the switching no matter what. Even if it means…

States can already turn off the switching by selecting permanent ST. This bill simply adds permanent DST as another option. It doesn't not force anyone into permanent DST.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by srj »

bhauer wrote: post #621
stormbrew wrote: post #506

I'd kill for a peek into the parallel universe where it was permanent standard time that was likely to get adopted and see how much effort went into researching the ill effects of that choice to convince people with enough FUD to keep daylight time switching going. Here's the thing: If you're a proponent of permanent standard time, you should be in favour of turning off the switching no matter what. Even if it means…

I am in favor of permanent standard time, but failing that, I am super happy with permanent daylight-saving time. Far more important to me is ridding ourselves of the twice-annual insanity of changing clocks. I'd be okay with adopting UTC if that meant our clocks never changed again.

No way. It's brutal getting home and having it already be dark. At least when it's dark in the morning I feel like I'm rising with the day.
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