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Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Post by cycrutchfield »

Aunche wrote: post #137
sixQuarks wrote: post #8

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This is one of the most fascinating things. It is close to a real life miracle in my opinion. To not even move when you’re experiencing that level of pain, it’s awe inspiring

Am I the only one who is deeply uncomfortable with the glorification of self-immolation in Tibet? These are nearly always young men, often times teenagers. One must question what sort of upbringing they must of had to sacrifice their life in that way for the sake of their religion.

For the sake of their religion? Or for the sake of their freedom?

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Post by humanistbot »

virtualwhys wrote: post #118
skilled wrote: post #53

I lived in Dharamshala (home to the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan government-in-exile) for 3 months a few years ago. My partner at the time went back to the US to visit family, and I didn't want to leave Asia so I went there since I had some interest in Buddhism at the time, too. In random book stores, I met actual monks who had served time (in China) as political prisoners. One of which had also written a book about it…

Nit: you were likely in McLeod Ganj, Dharamshala is the city in the valley below (where few foreigners stay), and not terribly convenient to travel to/from if you were living in the city. That, or you were up in Dharamkat and hiked down into town/temple area where there are needless to say many Tibetan monks from the diaspora -- amazing part of India. Free Tibet

Wow, what a tiny nit to pick.

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Post by 1123581321 »

humanistbot wrote: post #152
virtualwhys wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nit: you were likely in McLeod Ganj, Dharamshala is the city in the valley below (where few foreigners stay), and not terribly convenient to travel to/from if you were living in the city. That, or you were up in Dharamkat and hiked down into town/temple area where there are needless to say many Tibetan monks from the diaspora -- amazing part of India. Free Tibet

Wow, what a tiny nit to pick.

I appreciated it. I spent a little time looking at a map after reading it. The geographical, cultural and political relationships between India and Tibet are not discussed in the US as often as China-Tibet.

Threaded forums are well able to accommodate these kinds of small side discussions, too.

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Post by julianeon »

cyberpunk wrote: post #65

As a zen Buddhist, I've always kinda felt our Tibetan 'dharma brothers' style of buddhism (admittedly, I don't know a lot about) feels much more like a proper religion than the kind of thing I've been into.. Which put me off quite a lot of it, I still hope to someday visit the place. It’s pretty sad that such an essentially peaceful and introspective group of people are abused thus, even if they believe in some prett…

This is factually incorrect: claiming Chan Buddhists do not believe in reincarnation. On the facts, wrong.

The Buddha taught reincarnation and all major schools essentially follow his example. This includes Chan Buddhism. It may not be emphasized or really suggested as a topic for reflection - but if you are asking point blank "Do Chan Buddhists accept the idea of reincarnation after death, as the Buddha taught - or do they teach reincarnation as wrong view", the answer is "they accept reincarnation."

Source: look up Chan Buddhism on Wikipedia, or just Google search it. Not a single result affirming that Chan Buddhists teach the falsity of reincarnation.

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Post by emkoemko »

tomohawk wrote: post #132
kingkawn wrote: post #116

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And those Afghanis now starving to death after being ravaged by imperialist war-adventuring for decades

Yeah, creating educational opportunities for girls was the worst. Good thing that's all being put back the way it's supposed to be.

have you seen Afghanistan before US helped Taliban with arms to fight USSR? and before USSR invaded? they didn't need your "educational opportunities" they need invaders not to invade.

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Post by 1024core »

whimsicalism wrote: post #148
yongjik wrote: post #147

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Are you sure you want to do comparison? As late as 1863, captured leaders of the Taiping Rebellion were sentenced to death by slicing flesh off the body until they died. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_Dakai

This is whataboutism. No relevance to the issue at hand whatsoever.

.... says the person comparing Tibet to Saudi Arabia.

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Post by whimsicalism »

1024core wrote: post #156
whimsicalism wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is whataboutism. No relevance to the issue at hand whatsoever.

.... says the person comparing Tibet to Saudi Arabia.

What? It was the person I was replying to making comparisons with Saudi Arabia, I was merely responding.

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Post by Hnrobert42 »

emkoemko wrote: post #155
tomohawk wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, creating educational opportunities for girls was the worst. Good thing that's all being put back the way it's supposed to be.

have you seen Afghanistan before US helped Taliban with arms to fight USSR? and before USSR invaded? they didn't need your "educational opportunities" they need invaders not to invade.

It is possible both are true: Arming the Taliban was bad. Disarming them was good.

Given that the intention of arming the Taliban was to bring down a government similar to the one currently invading Ukraine, maybe the overall effect of arming the Taliban was good, however tragic for Afghanistan.

Ultimately, I do not presume to be smart enough to know what is right in international relations.

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Post by 1024core »

whimsicalism wrote: post #157
1024core wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

.... says the person comparing Tibet to Saudi Arabia.

What? It was the person I was replying to making comparisons with Saudi Arabia, I was merely responding.

> but are you at all familiar with the history of pre-CCP Tibet? Their "theocracy" was likely worse than Saudi Arabias

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Post by whimsicalism »

1024core wrote: post #159
whimsicalism wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? It was the person I was replying to making comparisons with Saudi Arabia, I was merely responding.

> but are you at all familiar with the history of pre-CCP Tibet? Their "theocracy" was likely worse than Saudi Arabias

Yes, now read one comment up where Saudi Arabia is mentioned as a comparison with other theocracies, such as Tibet.

Tibet was much more closer to SA (rigidly authoritarian, brutal punishments) than Pakistan (democratic election of leaders, less chopping off of people's limbs)

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