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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by wolverine876 »

captainmuon wrote: post #487
wolverine876 wrote: post #397

The whole world going to the same time zone, usually proposed in these discussions, doesn't work - sun-time dissociates with clock-time, making words like "night" and "noon" confusing. However, I would like to see a North American Standard time (NAT): Set the clock at half-way between US Mountain and Central times and apply it to all of North America (with maybe a few extreme exceptions, such as western Alaska and Ha…

Or you could go the exact opposite, and do solar-local time everywhere. We introduced time zones historically to make train travel easier. Now, we use navigation systems almost every time we travel long distances. It always shows me time of departure, time of arrival, and since they are non-round times and I can't be bothered to calculate the duration, it shows me that, too. If every city was in its own timezone, not…

It's interesting to think about the implications. It's obviously not practical on a broad scale, but I wonder if I could try it myself for a little while. We need an app!

> TV programming is basically dead

You need to get out more! :)

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

capital_guy wrote: post #679

I am extremely surprised at all the people who are against this, saying that "Making DST permanent forces people to wake up earlier." I am not sure I know a single person whose morning wake-up time is dictated by the rise of the sun. Everyone I know wakes up whatever time that their work tells them to. I am happy to have more sun after I get out of work. It was a breath of fresh air this week getting out of work and…

I think the problem is that people don't understand what "permanent Daylights Savings Time" really means.

If you ask "Would you like the sun to set later in the evening?" most people will say yes. Who doesn't like more sunlight?

If you ask "Would you rather go to bed early and wake up early, or go to bed later and wake up later?" most people will choose to stay up late and sleep in the next day. There might be some disagreement from early risers, but consider when most people choose to sleep during the weekend.

Everyone thinks of Daylights Savings Time as "yay, more sunlight," without realizing it also requires them to wake up earlier, relative to their circadian rhythms.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

capital_guy wrote: post #679

I am extremely surprised at all the people who are against this, saying that "Making DST permanent forces people to wake up earlier." I am not sure I know a single person whose morning wake-up time is dictated by the rise of the sun. Everyone I know wakes up whatever time that their work tells them to. I am happy to have more sun after I get out of work. It was a breath of fresh air this week getting out of work and…

I've been working from home for 7+ years, and I mostly let the sun wake me up. I never would have been able to do that in the winter when I was commuting, but it is very nice.

I am totally in favor of this though, I was ranting about it to a friend on Sunday.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by downrightmike »

capital_guy wrote: post #679

I am extremely surprised at all the people who are against this, saying that "Making DST permanent forces people to wake up earlier." I am not sure I know a single person whose morning wake-up time is dictated by the rise of the sun. Everyone I know wakes up whatever time that their work tells them to. I am happy to have more sun after I get out of work. It was a breath of fresh air this week getting out of work and…

I'd rather have only two hours from coast to coast. Of course they want to make us all get up earlier all year long.

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Post by talaketu »

zentiggr wrote: post #636

Let's end the debate, assuage the farmers who opposed time changes from the beginning, and honor every other timekeeping system in our earlier history: From now on, sunrise is 0700. The clock runs from 0700 sunrise to whatever time necessary overnight to arrive at sunrise again, at which point the time becomes 0700. For the part of the year where that duration is greater than 24 hours, the time past 06:59 simply coun…

sure, except obviously sunrise at 6AM and sunset at 6PM.

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Post by ignu »

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #713
capital_guy wrote: post #679

I am extremely surprised at all the people who are against this, saying that "Making DST permanent forces people to wake up earlier." I am not sure I know a single person whose morning wake-up time is dictated by the rise of the sun. Everyone I know wakes up whatever time that their work tells them to. I am happy to have more sun after I get out of work. It was a breath of fresh air this week getting out of work and…

I've been working from home for 7+ years, and I mostly let the sun wake me up. I never would have been able to do that in the winter when I was commuting, but it is very nice. I am totally in favor of this though, I was ranting about it to a friend on Sunday.

normalize work starting two hours after dawn.

(i think i'm only half joking)

also then just move everyone to GMT for the hell of it.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by jackjeff »

I really hope the UK does not imitate this. I moved from France to the UK over ten years ago. According to geography, France and the UK should be on the same time zone, but in practice France is using Germany’s time zone. In France thanks to the perfect combo of DST and the wrong time zone, you’re permanently shifted by either +1 or +2. The net effect is almost never see the sun in the morning when you wake up if you have to abide to standard office/school hours. When I moved to the UK I realised I was much less tired and happier to just wake up with the sun (at least for part of the year).

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by gh0std3v »

capital_guy wrote: post #679

I am extremely surprised at all the people who are against this, saying that "Making DST permanent forces people to wake up earlier." I am not sure I know a single person whose morning wake-up time is dictated by the rise of the sun. Everyone I know wakes up whatever time that their work tells them to. I am happy to have more sun after I get out of work. It was a breath of fresh air this week getting out of work and…

I don't care about whether there's more sunshine in the morning or not (that's why I have blinds!). What I do care about is the fact that DST introduces needless complexity into the task of keeping time.

I know it's stupid, but I just think DST is really unnecessary because of the fact that we have to adjust the clock on our microwaves, ovens, and cars. Not to mention, because not everyone observes DST, it leads to a lot of additional complexity when scheduling international meetings.

Overall, regardless of your preferences, the world would be better if we didn't have to adjust the clock for no reason.

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