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US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by ethbr0 »

zentiggr wrote: post #636

Let's end the debate, assuage the farmers who opposed time changes from the beginning, and honor every other timekeeping system in our earlier history: From now on, sunrise is 0700. The clock runs from 0700 sunrise to whatever time necessary overnight to arrive at sunrise again, at which point the time becomes 0700. For the part of the year where that duration is greater than 24 hours, the time past 06:59 simply coun…

Having seen a colleague deal with northern hemisphere Guam -> Puerto Rico times, thinking about implementing the above gives me heart palpitations.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by throw0101a »

zentiggr wrote: post #636

Let's end the debate, assuage the farmers who opposed time changes from the beginning, and honor every other timekeeping system in our earlier history: From now on, sunrise is 0700. The clock runs from 0700 sunrise to whatever time necessary overnight to arrive at sunrise again, at which point the time becomes 0700. For the part of the year where that duration is greater than 24 hours, the time past 06:59 simply coun…

Unequal hours were a thing:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hour#Unequal_hours

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_clock

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by bayindirh »

zentiggr wrote: post #636

Let's end the debate, assuage the farmers who opposed time changes from the beginning, and honor every other timekeeping system in our earlier history: From now on, sunrise is 0700. The clock runs from 0700 sunrise to whatever time necessary overnight to arrive at sunrise again, at which point the time becomes 0700. For the part of the year where that duration is greater than 24 hours, the time past 06:59 simply coun…

I recommend you read time keeping on the computer systems. Without NTP and some atomic clocks on the network, computers can't keep accurate time themselves.

And using a moving window / sun synchronization like that is just brave to put it mildly.

[0] https://blog.codinghorror.com/keeping-time-on-the-pc/

Also, there was an excellent article about clock drift, but I failed to find it.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by ithkuil »

For me the main madness was not DST but the fact that countries (in particular US and EU) start and end DST at different dates.

Honestly, I don't get the complaint about one hour change two Sundays a year.

But the several weeks a year of conflicting meeting bookings in companies that cross the pond is much more infuriating.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by cwkoss »

bob1029 wrote: post #653

What do we think about the impact on our software? I have no clue about how my OS deals with TZ info changes over time or how older systems would behave absent a centralized management system.

Good software will just need to update their libraries after this change is implemented and everything will keep working fine.

Bad software is going to have a mess, but was already a mess.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by goerz »

mdturnerphys wrote: post #146

More info here: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-approves-bill-tha... Important note: "Senator Marco Rubio said after input from airlines and broadcasters that supporters agreed that the change would not take place until November 2023."

Even more important note from that article: "The House of Representatives, which has held a committee hearing on the matter, still must pass the bill"

I don't think there's any guarantee that they will even take up the bill, much less vote for it. (Hopefully, I'm wrong, because I would love permanent DST)

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by antisthenes »

captainmuon wrote: post #450

This is ridiculous. Why don't they make the regular time permanent? And if people want to have more light in the evening, then they just leave work earlier. Surely that is easier than permanent daylight savings time. I know people will say it's too hard to change habits and (clock) work hours, but with permanent DST you will have to change that anyway, when people realize how dark winter mornings will be. I predict a…

> And if people want to have more light in the evening, then they just leave work earlier

Feel free to follow your own advice and come into work later.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by michaelt »

screye wrote: post #619
stormbrew wrote: post #506

I'd kill for a peek into the parallel universe where it was permanent standard time that was likely to get adopted and see how much effort went into researching the ill effects of that choice to convince people with enough FUD to keep daylight time switching going. Here's the thing: If you're a proponent of permanent standard time, you should be in favour of turning off the switching no matter what. Even if it means…

Does permanent DST mean : A. The sun rises earlier and sets earlier. B. The sun rises later, but sun sets later too.

Before permanent DST, on 31 December in San Francisco, sunlight ran from 07:24-17:00

With permanent DST, it will instead be 08:24-18:00

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