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Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Indeed. Both the Tibetans and the people of Xinjiang deserve much better than what they currently have.

And those Afghanis now starving to death after being ravaged by imperialist war-adventuring for decades

Yeah, creating educational opportunities for girls was the worst. Good thing that's all being put back the way it's supposed to be.

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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They are experiencing it. Just because you aren't letting the pain dictate your actions, it doesn't mean you aren't experiencing it. It's about not letting your reflexes override your control.

It’s absolutely shocking how much pain you can be in before losing control if your willpower is strong enough.

> It’s shocking how much pain you can be in if your willpower is strong enough.

Or you are drugged with something strong enough. A much simpler explanation that doesn't require to believe in guys developing supernatural superpowers.

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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As a zen Buddhist, I've always kinda felt our Tibetan 'dharma brothers' style of buddhism (admittedly, I don't know a lot about) feels much more like a proper religion than the kind of thing I've been into.. Which put me off quite a lot of it, I still hope to someday visit the place. It’s pretty sad that such an essentially peaceful and introspective group of people are abused thus, even if they believe in some prett…

IMHO only, not an expert/informed analysis: Buddhism can be a risk to Chinese harmony if left to a separate authority (the real Dalai Lama). The Chinese grand social experiment of a strong state can only really work if they are relatively culturally homogenous, whether in Tibet or Hong Kong or Xinjiang or Taiwan. Dissent plants the seeds of change, and the CCP's system doesn't work when there is too much diversity of…

"Buddhism can be a risk to Chinese harmony"

It boggles my mind that anyone would consider to be harmonious a society that kills, imprisons, tortures, censors, and brainwashes so many of its own people.

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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What are you talking about?

Finland, probably… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gustaf_Emil_Mannerheim /s

That man is a freaking legend. As all good historical figures, not entirely good or entirely bad ( nothing is black or white in this world), but certainly interesting and with huge contributions.

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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it should be. and then you watch these monks with absolute mental control just sitting in the fire meditating until they're ash

This is one of the most fascinating things. It is close to a real life miracle in my opinion. To not even move when you’re experiencing that level of pain, it’s awe inspiring

Am I the only one who is deeply uncomfortable with the glorification of self-immolation in Tibet? These are nearly always young men, often times teenagers. One must question what sort of upbringing they must of had to sacrifice their life in that way for the sake of their religion.

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Not saying it does, although for note this structure I'm describing was Tibet in the 1940s-50s, so not too far in the past. They guy who did this blinding is the guy who picked the current Dalai Lama Agree that a regime being "better than" one that existed in the past doesn't justify repression, but also what is "foreign" and what is not is something that is socially constructed and shaped by the passage of time, not…

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Not quite, since I'm specifically responding to someone describing how "peaceful" Tibet's society was.

Indeed, pointing to rhetorical fallacies deployed by the Soviet Union to distract from a discussion of Tibet is more likely to be whataboutism itself?

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Sure, but are you at all familiar with the history of pre-CCP Tibet? Their "theocracy" was likely worse than Saudi Arabias, both in terms of the sorts of punishments they inflicted upon their populace (routine gouging of the eyes, chopping of the limbs, and then hanging up for display) as well as the autocratic (serf-like) structure built up.

Could you please point me to an independent source which can confirm what you wrote, as in not Chinese/CCP propaganda to justify their invasion and occupation of Tibet. Also, looks like the Tibetan's are suffering exactly the kind of treatment as you wrote under the CCP.

Probably not the tone you're looking for, but definitely independent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYEOSCIOnrs

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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I think this form of protest is outdated in modern times. We're constantly being bombarded by war footage, dead kids from school shootings, suicide bombings, and collapsing skyscrapers. This may have been significant back in the day but now it's hardly a blip on the radar of tragedies of people trying to send a message through violence. I personally find it to be a sad senseless outdated cultural practice , no matter…

i can't agree about taking out a bunch of your enemies. the photographs of thich quang duc had such an impact because the practice was novel to the west. that novelty is gone. but there isn't any novelty in suicide bombing either. as far as sending a message goes, they are both outdated practices and a waste.
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