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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by bhauer »

stormbrew wrote: post #506

I'd kill for a peek into the parallel universe where it was permanent standard time that was likely to get adopted and see how much effort went into researching the ill effects of that choice to convince people with enough FUD to keep daylight time switching going. Here's the thing: If you're a proponent of permanent standard time, you should be in favour of turning off the switching no matter what. Even if it means…

I am in favor of permanent standard time, but failing that, I am super happy with permanent daylight-saving time.

Far more important to me is ridding ourselves of the twice-annual insanity of changing clocks. I'd be okay with adopting UTC if that meant our clocks never changed again.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by ghaff »

screye wrote: post #619
stormbrew wrote: post #506

I'd kill for a peek into the parallel universe where it was permanent standard time that was likely to get adopted and see how much effort went into researching the ill effects of that choice to convince people with enough FUD to keep daylight time switching going. Here's the thing: If you're a proponent of permanent standard time, you should be in favour of turning off the switching no matter what. Even if it means…

Does permanent DST mean : A. The sun rises earlier and sets earlier. B. The sun rises later, but sun sets later too.

B (relative to standard time)

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

screye wrote: post #619
stormbrew wrote: post #506

I'd kill for a peek into the parallel universe where it was permanent standard time that was likely to get adopted and see how much effort went into researching the ill effects of that choice to convince people with enough FUD to keep daylight time switching going. Here's the thing: If you're a proponent of permanent standard time, you should be in favour of turning off the switching no matter what. Even if it means…

Does permanent DST mean : A. The sun rises earlier and sets earlier. B. The sun rises later, but sun sets later too.

B. We just entered DST, moving our clocks forward, so we get more daylight at the end of the day.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by ghaff »

FastMonkey wrote: post #536
stormbrew wrote: post #506

I'd kill for a peek into the parallel universe where it was permanent standard time that was likely to get adopted and see how much effort went into researching the ill effects of that choice to convince people with enough FUD to keep daylight time switching going. Here's the thing: If you're a proponent of permanent standard time, you should be in favour of turning off the switching no matter what. Even if it means…

I've been around, and there very few 9-to-5 places that mind if people work 10-to-6 or 8-to-4 instead.

I think you're overestimating the percentage of jobs that have that level of flexibility.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by seangrogg »

mdavidn wrote: post #602
seangrogg wrote: post #310

I'm all for either implementation of this (standard or savings); I have no particular skin in the game when it comes down to where daylight hours are positioned. Having lived about a decade in Arizona it literally never negatively impacted my life once. Since moving I've come to participate in what seems to be the standard dread of moving hours back and forth. I either lose sleep and need to adjust my Circadian rhyth…

Scheduling recurring meetings that span the United States and Australia is always a calendaring shock. Both countries observe daylight savings time but, being in different hemispheres, they move in opposite directions. And on different dates.

Seriously though! One of my Aussie buddies recently switched over to a recently-opened Oceanic server and while I was lamenting the loss we joked about not needing to step on each other's toes with scheduling.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by Asooka »

colinmhayes wrote: post #489
captainmuon wrote: post #450

This is ridiculous. Why don't they make the regular time permanent? And if people want to have more light in the evening, then they just leave work earlier. Surely that is easier than permanent daylight savings time. I know people will say it's too hard to change habits and (clock) work hours, but with permanent DST you will have to change that anyway, when people realize how dark winter mornings will be. I predict a…

The sun currently rises at 5:30 in the summer where I live. It would just not be acceptable for it to rise at 4:30.

Why? Just get up earlier to get that hour in the morning.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by tempestn »

chaorace wrote: post #504
captainmuon wrote: post #450

This is ridiculous. Why don't they make the regular time permanent? And if people want to have more light in the evening, then they just leave work earlier. Surely that is easier than permanent daylight savings time. I know people will say it's too hard to change habits and (clock) work hours, but with permanent DST you will have to change that anyway, when people realize how dark winter mornings will be. I predict a…

> Why don't they make the regular time permanent? There's a pro-DST lobby because more post-work daylight hours is correlated with higher consumer spending. For that reason, permanent DST is more politically expedient in relation to permanent standard time. > And if people want to have more light in the evening, then they just leave work earlier. Surely that is easier than permanent daylight savings time. I don't thi…

I think school hours are mostly set as early as they are to allow parents to get kids to school before going to work.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by deathanatos »

avl999 wrote: post #553
captainmuon wrote: post #450

This is ridiculous. Why don't they make the regular time permanent? And if people want to have more light in the evening, then they just leave work earlier. Surely that is easier than permanent daylight savings time. I know people will say it's too hard to change habits and (clock) work hours, but with permanent DST you will have to change that anyway, when people realize how dark winter mornings will be. I predict a…

This is ridiculous. Why don't they make the DST permanent? And if people want to have more light in the MORNING , then they just WAKE UP LATER . Surely that is easier than permanent REGULAR time.

Because, aside from that noon should be at noon (roughly, allowing for the obvious error that standard time and mean solar time introduce, but which are present in both perma-standard and perma-DST) and you shouldn't be legislating business hours by screwing around with what the clock says…, it's a bad decision:

> Permanent standard time is considered by circadian health researchers and safety experts worldwide to be the best option for health, safety, schools, and economy, including the American Academy of Sleep Medicine, National Sleep Foundation, American College of Chest Physicians, National Safety Council, American College of Occupational and Environmental Medicine, Canadian Sleep Society, World Sleep Society, Society for Research on Biological Rhythms, and several state sleep societies.

> It is supported by environmental evidence, owing to evidence that DST observation increases driving, morning heating, and evening air conditioning, which all in turn increase energy consumption and pollution.

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_time_observation_in_...)

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

KerrAvon wrote: post #558
stormbrew wrote: post #506

I'd kill for a peek into the parallel universe where it was permanent standard time that was likely to get adopted and see how much effort went into researching the ill effects of that choice to convince people with enough FUD to keep daylight time switching going. Here's the thing: If you're a proponent of permanent standard time, you should be in favour of turning off the switching no matter what. Even if it means…

Quoted post unavailable.

You're parsing it wrong. Or rather, you're not parsing the entire comment.

What they're saying is that there are two positions:

1. Permanent Standard Time > Permanent DST > Switching

2. Permanent DST > Permanent Standard Time > Switching

And that NOBODY (or at least, an extremely small minority) would rather choose switching over either of the permanent options.

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