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Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Post by billiam »

cyberpunk wrote: post #65

As a zen Buddhist, I've always kinda felt our Tibetan 'dharma brothers' style of buddhism (admittedly, I don't know a lot about) feels much more like a proper religion than the kind of thing I've been into.. Which put me off quite a lot of it, I still hope to someday visit the place. It’s pretty sad that such an essentially peaceful and introspective group of people are abused thus, even if they believe in some prett…

Minerals, particularly rare earths, that are a huge strategic asset to China and their desire to dominate the world economy. It's also in a strategic place vis a vis India, and they can't tolerate even a degree of autonomy of such a large area adjacent to their rival in Asia. But the real threat is a national and religious identity separate from China.

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Post by collyw »

saiya-jin wrote: post #37
Someone wrote: post #28

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> The major rivers of India and China all originate in Tibet Apart from the Brahmaputra, which flows through the part of India east of Bangladesh, I have a hard time finding a major India river that originates in Tibet. Certainly, the Ganges flows west to east. What river(s) do I overlook?

Indeed OPs comment doesn't make much sense. Ganges is sourced in Gangotri, Yamuna in Yamunotri which are in Indian territory, behing massive himalayan wall separating it from (occupied and formerly indian) chinese territory. Mighty fine hiking locations too!

The Karnarli comes from Mt Kailash, which is a tributary of the Ganges.

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Post by croes »

MarkMarine wrote: post #107
sva_ wrote: post #43

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> Stalin shot and killed more Jews than the Nazi ever could, I have doubts about that. Are you serious?

Fair, I read this book: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodlands Which is well researched. The Nazis killed about 5.4 million, Russians and Stalin killed the rest of the 14 million people that died during this period

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/documentin...

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Post by yumraj »

whimsicalism wrote: post #84
cuteboy19 wrote: post #66

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There are many kinds of "theocracy". The islamic republic of Pakistan is significantly better than Saudi Arabia. Or would your rather have them both as "rightful Chinese territory"?

Sure, but are you at all familiar with the history of pre-CCP Tibet? Their "theocracy" was likely worse than Saudi Arabias, both in terms of the sorts of punishments they inflicted upon their populace (routine gouging of the eyes, chopping of the limbs, and then hanging up for display) as well as the autocratic (serf-like) structure built up.

Could you please point me to an independent source which can confirm what you wrote, as in not Chinese/CCP propaganda to justify their invasion and occupation of Tibet.

Also, looks like the Tibetan's are suffering exactly the kind of treatment as you wrote under the CCP.

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Post by croes »

MarkMarine wrote: post #110
croes wrote: post #30

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BTW have you a source for you claim? Stalin killed 9 to 20 millions people but many of them weren't jews.

The book the Bloodlands is far better researched than I claim to be: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodlands

From your link

"Snyder provided a summary of the 14 million victims as follows:

3.3 million victims of "the Soviet Famines"

4.2 million victims of the German Hunger Plan in the Soviet Union, "largely Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians"

5.4 million Jewish victims in the Holocaust

700,000 civilians, "mostly Belarusians and Poles", shot by the Germans

200,000 Poles were killed between 1939 and 1941 in occupied Poland, with each regime responsible for about half of those deaths

300,000 victims in the Great Purge in the Soviet Union from 1937–1938

So 10.4 millions Hitler, 3.7 millions Stalin, how many of them jewish not mentioned.

How do you get from that that Stalin killed more Jews than Hitler?

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Post by pvaldes »

sixQuarks wrote: post #8
hackernewds wrote: post #5

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it should be. and then you watch these monks with absolute mental control just sitting in the fire meditating until they're ash

This is one of the most fascinating things. It is close to a real life miracle in my opinion. To not even move when you’re experiencing that level of pain, it’s awe inspiring

No post body was provided.

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Post by pm90 »

hutzlibu wrote: post #101
pm90 wrote: post #47

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Indeed. Both the Tibetans and the people of Xinjiang deserve much better than what they currently have.

And in Tigray and in Mali and in Yemen, ...

It feels surreal to think that I live on the same planet as people who face such suffering. I feel totally helpless and sad.

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Post by necovek »

MarkMarine wrote: post #107
sva_ wrote: post #43

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> Stalin shot and killed more Jews than the Nazi ever could, I have doubts about that. Are you serious?

Fair, I read this book: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodlands Which is well researched. The Nazis killed about 5.4 million, Russians and Stalin killed the rest of the 14 million people that died during this period

The Wikipedia page is pretty directly not stating that.

Soviet Union was responsible for 1/3rd of the total death toll of 14M, with Nazi's Jewish victims being 5.4M. That puts the non-Jewish Nazi victims at 4M out of the total of 9.4M, and the Soviet Union victims at 4.7M (also note that this is Soviet Union of the time: while the officials behind these atrocities were likely Russian in majority, simply because Russians were majority of the population, I am certain not all of them were Russians — notably, Stalin himself was of Georgian descent).

Note that all of these also cover only a particular area that were of interest to both Nazi Germany and Soviet Union (basically Western Soviet Union, Eastern Europe and Baltic states).

Nazi Germany has done plenty of killings in the rest of the Europe too.

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Post by pmoriarty »

dorfsmay wrote: post #119
throwaway_1928 wrote: post #80

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One may also observe that India is primarily Hindu, while Tibet is primarily Buddhist, which is an offshoot of Hinduism. Present day China is communist atheist, which has a lot less in common with Buddhism than Hinduism does.

Reality is a bit more complicated, there are many religions in India and most people consider Buddhism not theistic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_India https://qz.com/india/1585631/the-ancient-connections-between...

"most people consider Buddhism not theistic"

In practice, a lot of Buddhists are very theistic. Many of them worship various gods and Buddhas.

In the West, Buddhism has been desacrilized to make it more palatable for Westerners, but in the East it's often way more religious and theistic, especially as the Buddhism that actually exists in those countries has often been blended with other indigenous religions which themselves are very theistic.

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