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Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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I would hope that China would understand Buddhism enough to know that there is no possible separate authority... I mean, the Heart sutra almost definitely came from China.. Although, I admit that I do have a hard time knitting together Tibetan and Burmese etc forms of Buddhism with what my understanding is (zen). They seem to genuinely worship Gautama Buddha as if he was some kinda god or something. That's not what w…

> I would hope that China would understand Buddhism enough to know that there is no possible separate authority... I mean, the Heart sutra almost definitely came from China.. Speaking as an agnostic, outside observer looking in on the various forms of Buddhism: Buddhism has mutated a lot in its history, and every country it touches has been changed by it and in turn changes it. I don't think any two countries practic…

> In the US, I've been to supposedly Zen practices that had an emphasis on "acknowledging/honoring" the bodhisattvas prior to meditation; to me, as an agnostic, it felt very similar to worship.

Oh yeah, this goes on. It's very common during zazenkai or sesshin to honour the ancestors and so some full on chants and even prostrations; I felt the same way as you did for at the beginning -- it really fucked with my atheist elitism, but really those problems were mine not theirs :}

Wear the silly hat, do a few bows, it helps more than it hurts.

And, sorry, there is no god outside of yourself :}

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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IMHO only, not an expert/informed analysis: Buddhism can be a risk to Chinese harmony if left to a separate authority (the real Dalai Lama). The Chinese grand social experiment of a strong state can only really work if they are relatively culturally homogenous, whether in Tibet or Hong Kong or Xinjiang or Taiwan. Dissent plants the seeds of change, and the CCP's system doesn't work when there is too much diversity of…

I would hope that China would understand Buddhism enough to know that there is no possible separate authority... I mean, the Heart sutra almost definitely came from China.. Although, I admit that I do have a hard time knitting together Tibetan and Burmese etc forms of Buddhism with what my understanding is (zen). They seem to genuinely worship Gautama Buddha as if he was some kinda god or something. That's not what w…

since you cant see me nod at you i am typing it nods in agreement i am pretty sure all these people had some terrible opinions and bad habits no doubt

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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In communist Romania, 2 March 1988... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liviu_Cornel_Babe%C8%99

And in Soviet-occupied Poland... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryszard_Siwiec

Romas Kalanta in Lithuania 1972. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romas_Kalanta

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Stalin was indeed violently antisemitic. See: The "doctor's plot", "Trotskyism", "rootless cosmopolitans", etc. Russian nationalists do indeed idolise him. But he wasn't Hitler. That aside, I urge people to look up Stepan Andriyovych Bandera and see that this is yet more Kremlin disinformation. Other Eastern European countries have also had to grapple with the Fascist connections of their so-called freedom fighters a…

So Israel and the European Parliament are now part of Kremlin desinformation? How many indians did Churchill and his followers kill?

Wikipedia:

> In December 2018, the Ukrainian parliament moved to again confer the award on Bandera but the proposal was rejected in August 2019. [emphasis mine]

Before that, they had recently voted in Zelenskyy as President, who's Jewish.

Also, just to show that this isn't only a Ukraine problem, Romania's Antonescu took up a major role in the Holocaust, but was nevertheless revered as a "freedom fighter" by many Romanians until they were forced to grapple with the man's actions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Antonescu#Legacy - The man is no longer honoured by Romanians.

It turns out that "freedom fighters" were sometimes complicated or very bad people. Unfortunately, people want their history to be clean and simple, and they choose to forget the ugly bits. They want their heroes to be pure. The Russians are as guilty of this as the Ukrainians and Romanians. Like the Romanians, the Ukrainians have slowly woken up to the magnitude of the crimes committed by their hero Stepan Bandera. I don't think they'll be honouring him anymore.

> How many indians did Churchill and his followers kill?

Bengali famine.

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> Stalin shot and killed more Jews than the Nazi ever could, I have doubts about that. Are you serious?

Fair, I read this book: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodlands Which is well researched. The Nazis killed about 5.4 million, Russians and Stalin killed the rest of the 14 million people that died during this period

This source does not seem to claim that the Russians/Stalin killed 14 million Jews, or more Jews than the Nazis did, which I doubted.

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I do wish the world would be more sympathetic to Ukraine and Tibet than it is currently ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet ).

Indeed. Both the Tibetans and the people of Xinjiang deserve much better than what they currently have.

And those Afghanis now starving to death after being ravaged by imperialist war-adventuring for decades

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Just as a side thought... if you look long enough at any country's history, you'll surely find horrors and terrible individuals. But that rarely means that country or its modern descendants would want to be "liberated" by a foreign conquerer, whether that's China or the USA. Forced assimilation is a form of genocide and people would almost always choose to be oppressed by one of their own rather than a foreigner...

Not saying it does, although for note this structure I'm describing was Tibet in the 1940s-50s, so not too far in the past. They guy who did this blinding is the guy who picked the current Dalai Lama Agree that a regime being "better than" one that existed in the past doesn't justify repression, but also what is "foreign" and what is not is something that is socially constructed and shaped by the passage of time, not…

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Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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I lived in Dharamshala (home to the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan government-in-exile) for 3 months a few years ago. My partner at the time went back to the US to visit family, and I didn't want to leave Asia so I went there since I had some interest in Buddhism at the time, too. In random book stores, I met actual monks who had served time (in China) as political prisoners. One of which had also written a book about it…

Nit: you were likely in McLeod Ganj, Dharamshala is the city in the valley below (where few foreigners stay), and not terribly convenient to travel to/from if you were living in the city.

That, or you were up in Dharamkat and hiked down into town/temple area where there are needless to say many Tibetan monks from the diaspora -- amazing part of India.

Free Tibet

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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I suppose one could claim that at the time of the Convention of Lhasa, Tibet and much of India swore suzerainty to the same nation of Great Britain. There's also the concept of Arkhand Bharat ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhand_Bharat ) which is the notion of a unified Indian subcontinent.

One may also observe that India is primarily Hindu, while Tibet is primarily Buddhist, which is an offshoot of Hinduism. Present day China is communist atheist, which has a lot less in common with Buddhism than Hinduism does.

Reality is a bit more complicated, there are many religions in India and most people consider Buddhism not theistic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_India

https://qz.com/india/1585631/the-ancient-connections-between...

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It's a big mess. The major rivers of India and China all originate in Tibet, so having that whole area be under the control of either one of these two actors is a recipe for ongoing stability concerns in the region.

I'm not sure how significant that geographic fact is. Tibet is incredibly remote and rugged. Any kind of dam project large enough to have downstream impacts would be infeasible.

I'm pretty sure the Vietnamese have already began to complain about the impacts of damming in Chinese Tibet.

Though I read that in the news, so take it with a grain of salt

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