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#421

We did this before, about 50 years ago. Going in, close to 80% of people supported permanent Daylight Saving Time. After experiencing a single winter, that dropped to close to 40%, and it was repealed. Looks like we may be doomed to repeat the experience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_time_observation_in_...

Exactly. There has been DST for over 100 years now. We don't use fuel the same way, so the original reason for DST is outdated.

From https://www.almanac.com/states-object-changing-clocks-daylig...

  Historically, the changing of clocks was
  established by law in 1918 as a fuel
  saving measure during World War I.  

  However, there is a common myth that DST was
  established to extend the daylight hours for
  farmers. This is not true. Farmers were
  extremely opposed to having to turn their
  clocks forward and back twice a year.
  Changing hours is actually a disruption for
  the farmer. Imagine telling a dairy cow
  accustomed to being milked at 5:00 a.m. that
  their milking time needs to be moved an hour
  because the truck is coming to pick up their
  milk at a different time! For the farmer,
  plants and animals, it is the sun and
  seasons which determines their activity.

  The 1918 law lasted only seven months. It
  proved unpopular with farmers and other
  folks.  However, after repeal in 1919, some
  state and localities continued the
  observance.  

  It took another war, World War II, to
  introduce a law by President Franklin D.
  Roosevelt, establishing year-round DST. This
  “War Time” law lasted from February 9, 1942
  to September 30, 1945.

  From 1945 to 1966, observance of DST was
  quite inconsistent across the states.
  There were no uniform rules. This caused
  massive confusion in the transportation
  and broadcasting industry which pushed for
  standardization. Farmers continued to
  oppose it.  

  To address this confusion, permanent DST was
  introduced by President Lyndon B. Johnson on
  April 12, 1966 and signed into law as the
  Uniform Time Act. This established a system
  of uniformity within each time zone.
  Daylight saving time was the law throughout
  the United States and its territories.
  However, states were allowed to opt out of
  the law, and some did.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#422
post #320

My personal pet peeve is when people write the Standard Time acronym when scheduling cross-timezone meetings, despite the fact that it is Daylight Saving Time. (Eg. "I'll call you tomorrow at 4pm PST.") In the past, I've gotten paranoid that they may live somewhere that doesn't observe Daylight Savings, but I also don't want to seem like a pedant by bringing up their mistake. I'm curious if this change will make this…

Ah, yes, precision without accuracy.

I constantly ride people about it. I don’t care about being perceived as a jerk.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#423

People literally die more because of these changes. Statistically measurable increase in mortality on these days. Save lives, stop changing the clocks.

I hate to be that guy but if you're dying because the clocks changed and it was too much of a burden for you to re-adjust (like literally everyone else does) then oh well.

Policy decisions based on dodgy, whataboutism-esque figures is, in my opinion, what undergirded the incredibly incompetent COVID response here in the US, and elsewhere.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#424

>Sunshine Protection Act Jesus, does everything need to be hyperbolic virtue signaling. Won't someone please think of the children!

I would love someone to propose a bill that requires the elimination of hyperbolic virtue signaling from all future bills, perhaps as an additional step in whatever pipeline is used to produce bills. Just need a hyperbolic virtue signaling name for it!

Honesty Act

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#425

Such a terrible idea compared to permanent standard time. There is plenty of light during the summer, so there's no need to optimize for that. The winter is when daylight is scarce, so that's what should be optimized for.

The winter is when daylight is scarce, so that's what should be optimized for. Yes but so-called Standard Time was only optimizing that for a small group - the intention was rural children walking to school could do so in daylight. And otherwise it pessimized the use of scarce sunlight by moving forward the time workers left to when it was dark. Always Standard Time might be better than awful switch but permanent Day…

In reality it means that people have to get up earlier and go to bed earlier relative to sunset/sunrise.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#426
post #403

I really don't like that they picked permanent DST. Does no one realize that this means that we all have to get up one hour earlier year round? That kids will have to travel to school in the dark for the majority of the year, including in most cases standing around in the freezing cold at unlit bus stops? It's still better than resetting the clocks. But I really they should have chosen standard time. Also, this means…

I live in Southern California which means no freezing cold and no school buses. Not sure what the rest of the country is thinking.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#427

It feels like we live in such a post-truth world, even the clock will now be an untruth. Couldn't we just use standard time, and let people wake and sleep when they choose, instead of creating an illusion for them?

We've opted for colloquial transference (e.g. I had breakfast at 7 => always AM, no matter what timezone) over a standardized measure.

It makes sense honestly, noon "feels like" noon no matter where you are in the world. But the ease of use of e.g. Unix time shows the cost of using timezoned times.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#428

We did this before, about 50 years ago. Going in, close to 80% of people supported permanent Daylight Saving Time. After experiencing a single winter, that dropped to close to 40%, and it was repealed. Looks like we may be doomed to repeat the experience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_time_observation_in_...

I don’t get this at all. Why would people want the sun to go down in the afternoon? In my time zone it sets at 4:30 part of the year! That’s awful, and sunrise is at around 7:00am. We have way more sun in the morning.

Morning vs Evening Light Treatment of Patients With Winter Depression

"These results should help establish the importance of circadian (morning or evening) time of light exposure in the treatment of winter depression. We recommend that bright-light exposure be scheduled immediately on awakening in the treatment of most patients with seasonal affective disorder."

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/...

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#429
post #365
post #320

My personal pet peeve is when people write the Standard Time acronym when scheduling cross-timezone meetings, despite the fact that it is Daylight Saving Time. (Eg. "I'll call you tomorrow at 4pm PST.") In the past, I've gotten paranoid that they may live somewhere that doesn't observe Daylight Savings, but I also don't want to seem like a pedant by bringing up their mistake. I'm curious if this change will make this…

I wish “Prevailing Time” would catch on. Eg PPT

It’s just PT: Pacific Time.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#430
post #403

I really don't like that they picked permanent DST. Does no one realize that this means that we all have to get up one hour earlier year round? That kids will have to travel to school in the dark for the majority of the year, including in most cases standing around in the freezing cold at unlit bus stops? It's still better than resetting the clocks. But I really they should have chosen standard time. Also, this means…

Is it any better for them to leave school in the dark? Isn't it just the same thing?
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