This means permanently EDT/CDT/MDT/PDT? Or would EST/CST/MST/PST all be shifted by +01:00? I am also curious if Canada or other countries would follow suit.
The text of the bill shows the latter: EST/CST/MST/PST/HST/AKST shift by 1 hour.
US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#352This means permanently EDT/CDT/MDT/PDT? Or would EST/CST/MST/PST all be shifted by +01:00? I am also curious if Canada or other countries would follow suit.
The bill (which you can read here, it's super short: https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/623... ) adjusts EST/CST/MST/PST etc to be +01:00. If you dig into the bill it's referencing, it defines US timezones based on UTC so this is just adjusting the time +1 hour based on that original bill.
Oh that will be a massive mess. So now the poor sod writing libraries have to take in account the offset changing in 2023...
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#353This is excellent. With the rise of air conditioning, daylight savings has considerably less electricity savings than it used to. It will also make timekeeping more consistent. I have lived in Arizona for the past few years and it is pleasant to know that you will always be at UTC-7:00.
Arizona only goes by Mountain Standard time (UTC -7:00). If Daylight savings time becomes permanent will Arizona always be an hour off from the rest of Mountain time zone?
Yes, but at least it is consistent.
I live right by the border, on the Utah side, and driving through Arizona and Nevada is always so confusing!
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#354Apparently the dupe detector is case sensitive: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30689221 currently has 388 comments to this thread's 92
We'll merge them. Thanks!
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#355Now let’s all move to the metric system.
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#356People literally die more because of these changes. Statistically measurable increase in mortality on these days. Save lives, stop changing the clocks.
Yes mortality increases on that day, but does not increase over the week.
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#357Such a terrible idea compared to permanent standard time. There is plenty of light during the summer, so there's no need to optimize for that. The winter is when daylight is scarce, so that's what should be optimized for.
If you ask me we need more light in summer and winter, damn the tyranny of time.
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#358I know this is hardly a radical take, but I don't care what time it is. I can adjust my schedule appropriately. What I hate is changing the time. It makes us all sicker, causes accidents, and workers in certain professions have to work weird hours to keep up with the changes. It's such a drag on the economy and only seems to serve a small fragment of society.
> drag on the economy Do we know if this is true? Does the proposal have an estimate of the financial impact? What are we talking about here, $10M? $100B? I have no sense for it.
Absolutely. Tons of labor goes into patching systems for DST and supporting and testing switchover. My experience is in the healthcare sector.
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#360We did this before, about 50 years ago. Going in, close to 80% of people supported permanent Daylight Saving Time. After experiencing a single winter, that dropped to close to 40%, and it was repealed. Looks like we may be doomed to repeat the experience.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_time_observation_in_...